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Color me unsurprised.
Calling me a hypocrite because you missed a comma and an interrogative sentence, telling me to read wikipedia pages in japanese instead of making the point directly even though they agree with me (and be condescending about it to boot), then never explaining why... Perhaps someone else will recognize what these symptoms mean. But enough has been said, and no obscene language was used. Peace. |
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Most likely some sorta misunderstanding or incident. Well I know for sure the wait to find out what deal is, is gonna kill me!
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2010-11-01, 16:42 | Link #86 | |
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Kirino did well enough on her own before, so Kyousuke probably didn't feel like he was needed at all. Their relationship goes sour because they never talk up untill the beginning of the series. |
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2010-11-01, 17:59 | Link #87 |
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I have a theory as to part of the reason why Kirino is so into the "Little Sister" eroge games, and I think that this would be a good thread to share it.
The sense I'm getting from this anime is that Kirino's family isn't a terribly loving one, at least not beyond an implicit level. Kirino started tearing up when she stated her displeasure over not being closer to her brother for a long time. Her father strikes me as a generally decent and caring man, but not a very warm one. There's definitely a stern, cold quality to him and his interactions with his children. At the very least, he wasn't close enough to his daughter to uncover her long-held Otaku hobby (before the events of episode 3), which strongly suggests that his presence in her life is usually a light one. Her mother has not left me with much of an impression of her either way thus far. This could very well leave Kirino feeling unloved at home, and somewhat emotionally needy. So, Kirino plays games about loving little sisters (or loving lolicon girls in general), and she finds it uplifting to see young girls (like she used to be, and in some ways still is) being loved in the game. As the player of the game, she is able to roleplay loving the female game character just as she wished that she had been loved. Whether or not there's any sexual element to this remains to be seen, but even without that element, one can see the catharsis and emotional healing that Kirino might get from this and these games. Now, this is just speculation on my part, as I've not read the source material. What do my fellow fans think?
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Defiantly well put speculation here Triple_R
Now that her brother is able to be trusted, and she doesn't feel lonely towards him anymore. She might even be playing as a little sister from one of her games, but not going to deep into the eroge part of her But thats just some silly speculation I have on how Kirino is going as of now.
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2010-11-01, 19:18 | Link #91 | |
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Until Kyousuke discovered her eroge hobby, Kirino was not close to anyone in the family. She talked with her modeling and school friends, and that's about it. |
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Now, any individual parent's parenting style won't necessarily fit nice and tidy into one of the four categories, but they do tend to at least lean more towards one of the four. Kirino's mother strikes me as having a Permissive, or even Uninvolved, style in her parenting. It's important, I think, to remember that a parent's first job is not to be their children's friend, but to be their children's parent. A parent that literally tolerates everything would be a bad parent. Parents should set at least some guidelines for their children. A good parent avoids both extremes on the Authoritarian/Permissive scale. Sadly, a strong case can be made that Kirino's parents occupy the two opposite extreme ends on that scale. Her father leans a bit too strongly towards the Authoritarian parenting style, in my opinion. Spoiler for saving space for rest of reply:
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Now back to Kirino. Ever since I watched episode 5, I've been curious about the tension between Kirino and Kyousuke in the past, which lead her to not even talk to him until he found out about her Otaku games. A flashback or anything would be good.
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2010-11-01, 20:23 | Link #95 |
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One of the key points of the story that I hope gets expanded on in the anime (which I imagine would be near the very end anyway). I actually think that this ordeal is the heart of the whole story and the "keep the otaku life a secret" scheme was just a roundabout way to get to it. But I digress.
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What Kyousuke then says is quite the opposite of what he expected though, hence the father's reaction of spitting his tea all over the floor. Yes, their relationship seemed to have been totally shot before... an explaining flashback would be nice there.
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Well it shouldn't be too much of surprise. Kirino and Kyosuke's father is a high-ranking police officer as the established fact from manga and more importantly the novel.
As for parenting style. His father is definitely authoritive but at same time it is a split image of a stereo-typical Asian father. The traditional view of family in East Asia region (China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan,etc) is that the father is the bread-maker that provides the family while the mother is in charge of all in-house affair including parenting. Fathers usually don't involve in parenting unless something big happens and in good-cop/bad-cop senario, the father is always expect to be the bad-cop. As for Kyosuke's role, older sibling is expected to protect and act as shield for younger sibling while the younger sibling respects and assist older in anyway he/she can. (which Kirino is not) All this is sprung from Confucian teaching of the Five Relationship of Hierarchy: Sibling(older=>younger), father/son, lord/vassal, husband/wife, and friendship, with friendship being the only relation that had equal responsibility. As some already stated, the issue here is that Kirino's father think ACG is bad for child growth and has always refrain from buying them for Kyosuke and Kirino. Kyosuke is argument is logical and begins with emotional plea for Kirino's happiness when the father countered bad with that ACG is a hobby that can negatively impact child growth. Kyosuke countered back with Kirino's achievement. Now the anime adaption deleted a few lines here ignore the scenes where they mention all those achievement were from elementary school to recently. Those added information made the situation more clear in novel. Kyosuke's logic here is to illustrate that ACG did not negatively impact Kirino's performance. She is still the same old Kirino with good grades and strong athletic performance. The picture with Kuroneko and Saori is setup for later when he pulled out his father's scrap book of Kirino. The father originally had same view on modeling and fashion and ends up being secretly proud of Kirino's modeling job after he did he own research. Kyosuke point out that the two event were the same, that the father should judge ACG just by its cover and that ACG is the same as Kirino's modeling job in which both put smiles to Kirino's face. This cause the father to accept (or at least partially condone) the presence of ACG. the issue now become the R18 Eroge. Keep in mind, R18 is NOT ILLEGAL in Japan, it was only a rating system similar to parental guidance or ESRB in US. But nevertheless a parent typically will not allow (at least not openly) and over adult materials for a 14 years old. This is where Kyosuke decide to put up on himself to take the blame because he can't spin it any other way to talk the father into accepting Kirino playing eroge and its HIS responsibility to protect his little sister. Keep in mind, the anime did a masterful job in depict this scene from novel. The choice Kyosuke was given includes HELP KIRINO, but he DID NOT SELECT IT. Instead Kyosuke picked HELP IMOUTO [LITTLE SISTER] which shows that he didn't do this because it's Kirino, but because it's his little sister. In the end the father accept the ACG part of Kirino but is still kept in dark (at least on surface) about the eroge. As for reason why Kyosuke and Kirino's relation is this bad. That is a question that seems to be central mystery for the series, at least in original light novel as Kyosuke himself did not know how they grew apart and stated numerous times that they weren't like this before and noted that it's nostalgic whenever Kirino show her "cute" face. Although the novel has implied that certain character was a big reason why......
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