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Also, you're expecting Bush in 2001 to simply say "what bin Laden did was bad but we're going to exercise restraint and not do anything"? Like that's realistic. |
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2013-04-17, 00:37 | Link #27565 | |||
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I guess you're in the let's send bin laden a thank you card camp It's the apartment of the saudi student that was hurt, they've already said that he's no longer a suspect. |
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2013-04-17, 00:58 | Link #27566 |
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This discussion is becoming too glib and jingoistic. This is a trying and confusing time, but responding rashly or too emotionally in regards to others posts helps no one and simply stifles discussion. Please everyone calm down and think before you respond.
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2013-04-17, 01:19 | Link #27567 | |
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Let's just talk about your response. Let's see what the military attack result is : 1. More potential terrorist member(people who lost their family member as civillian casualty during the attack). 2. Catching the leader but unable to sweep all the terrorist group 3. Buying more resentment from most Islamic group 4. Shouldering huge debt from the cost of the war 5. PTSD for lots of war veteran But yeah, it's much better than saying thank you like you said I guess huh(which is your word, not mine). I guess you prefer all the party to lose their eyes and tooth instead of trying to stop the casualty from increasing. And don't talk about Japan attack during WW2. The context is much too different. The Japanese was intent on conquering US at that time, the Taliban does not. As for my second point, I'm talking about win over the so called civillian instead of the terrorist force, and by winning over I mean to say convince them that you're not the enemy like the proaganda in their country says. Terrorist are only hard to beat because the civillian is in support of them(other case in point, Vietnam). Once you win the heart of people, it's only a matter of time before the taliban lose their support. Will it take a long time? Sure! Will it be harder to do? Naturally. But still, the result you get from such action will also last longer instead of drawing even more enmity. If you ask how should you do it, how about by starting to understand cultural difference and respect them? I'm sorry to say, you can't just expect to come to someone's house and says, "stop doing your tradition right this instance" and expect people to comply right away. ED : Ninja'ed by mod XD. I'll drop the discussion about this here. I won't erase my response since I already use my time to write it and it doesn't feel too provocative, and I will still read the response to this post, but I won't counter with another post about this topic anymore. |
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2013-04-17, 01:32 | Link #27568 | |
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From a personal perspective, I think the violent route is only effective if you're willing to commit to massacring a lot of people which is something I'm obviously against anyway. [EDIT] Just to be clear this should, in no way, be taken as related to the Boston bombing incident. People will care more about other parts of the worlds than others. This is just natural.
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2013-04-17, 01:50 | Link #27570 | |
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Certainly far more than you do.
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As promised, I won't drag the discussion any longer, just want to apologized if my post seems to insult the US and its military since that's not what I intended. Still disagree that the attack to Afghanistan is the best course of action though. |
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2013-04-17, 02:04 | Link #27571 | |
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What I find incredibly frustrating is how some people seemed to jump at the chance at using what happened in Boston so they can hop on their soap box and go"haha, serves you right". You probably got some of that "collateral damage", and for that I too apologize |
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2013-04-17, 07:51 | Link #27572 | |
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2013-04-17, 08:03 | Link #27573 | |
Franco's Phalanx is next!
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2013-04-17, 08:08 | Link #27574 | |
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Same-sex marriage law passed in New Zealand.
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2013-04-17, 10:38 | Link #27575 |
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So, right after a Senator received a poison laced letter and the Boston bombing, the Secret Service has intercepted a letter containing a suspicious substance to the President.
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2013-04-17, 10:50 | Link #27577 | |
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I have been holding back to get into this argument, however it seems that many here do not give a hoot about the nature of political strive and factionalism when combined with the culture of violence. There are things to be noted like penetration of societies by such radical forces and ideology, intelligence-gathering capability of both sides, acceptance of each faction's ideology by various divisions of society, methods of influencing the citizens, etc. Some factions use violence to draw people to their side through fear, while others dangle a carrot to do so. The basic concepts of leadership and motivation under business management studies apply the same way; no different from managing a big company where each department has a head that vies for the position of CEO, and has to deal with internal turmoil and external competition. All these are generated by either fear or greed. And I can say that be it OBL, Kim Jong Un or even the prepartrator behind the Boston Bombing, all their underlying reasons and psychological factor either point towards one of the two. So are we helping with this discussion by reaching an understanding with each other, or are we simply mudslinging to prove that our ideas are right?
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2013-04-17, 11:37 | Link #27578 | |
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2013-04-17, 11:42 | Link #27580 | |
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