2011-05-29, 14:42 | Link #2201 |
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I know the footstomp was rule of cool. And as such it shows that it is legitimate. Saying it's the only friggin' instance and that it's impossible for everyone else? That's where I'll draw a line.
So, another example then? How about Nanoha holding Teana up in the air one-handed by a knife blade? How's that for magic simply enhancing someone's strength? Another armor without device example is Einhart, if you want to go there as well.
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2011-05-29, 14:47 | Link #2202 |
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The upgraded version of that scene shows a pink glowing on Teana, so it looks more like if Nanoha is holding Teana up on the air with her "floater" magic rather than a right out strenght enhacing(also even with the strenght bump, holding someone straight in the air by holding something as small as a Knife's blade is just plain illogical).
Giving you a point on the "armor without device" thing, tough. Just as you said Einhart can cast her own armor without any device(still don't change the fact that is apparently a rare skill).
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2011-05-29, 14:51 | Link #2203 |
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Isis had her device and its unusual chemical component concealed in several parts disguised to look like something else. She's extremely tough. She's clever, educated, and good at concealing her identity and intentions.
Isis is a complete and absolute badass, joining an established badass-studded cast with which she can compete. Can we please accept this plain and simple fact hanging in front of our eyes and stop picking on the awesome new girl?
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2011-05-29, 14:59 | Link #2205 | |
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Superstrength with magic is a very valid explanation for Isis's chainbreaking. |
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Isis is too badass to be a simple mage, there's too much lampshading around her and she's one of the new mains so, something amazing must be hidden inside her. Quote:
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If anything Isis's mighty strenght can be also an addition to her incresingly list of badass traits.
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2011-05-29, 15:15 | Link #2207 |
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You keep dancing around the issue when it comes to the older series, so I'll just point to Vivid and let you explain that entire series away. No glow, cutting apart water, the kids there break training equipment and then throw a fit because they forgot to hold back and all this without even using a device.
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2011-05-29, 15:22 | Link #2208 |
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Yup, without colors or evidence is hard to me to follow things accurately, in manga the ultimate evidence is exposition rather than visuals. I can't bring myself to make an absolute statement about the girls on Vivid, the "watwer cut" thing seems to be a special "striker arts" technique involving more the use of dynamics and practice rather than actual magic, but nothing about that is confirmed or denied yet, other theory can be that the girls in Vivid(at least the melee oriented ones) can use "magic" ona very similar fashon to "ki", "chi", "vital energy" or whatever source of energy the shounen martial artists use to power their attacks and moves.
In FORCE i think is a bit easier to come up with explanations because the setting is inviting us to ditch already "magical girl" tropes, ordinary magen can't hold a light on this enviroment so i thing something more "special" than magic will be behind Isis physical prowess.
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2011-05-29, 15:32 | Link #2209 |
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Well, remember that the Hucks were planning to let Isis go and give her back all her stuff. Her bag might even have been in the same room with her, which would solve the question of where her device and jacket came from: just offscreen.
Second of all, her arms were just wrapped in cloth and secured with straps (because if it were a proper straitjacket we wouldn't get to see her boobs and we can't have that now, can we). She worked loose from that the same way anybody would: you push and tug on it until something slips. The leg-irons I'd say was a magical shattering thingy. Arnage recognized that Isis could escape whenever she wanted to and wasn't terribly surprised when she did. Anyway, it's entirely probable that she has some sort of rare skill, but I'd wager it's probably more in the way of genius smarts and inventiveness or natural capacity than some lost magic or combat cyborgery. You can't write off everyday folk who work hard to get their ability- they outmatch one-trick ponies any day of the week. Nanoha herself is kind of the example to note here.
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2011-05-29, 15:43 | Link #2210 | |
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- She's afraid of being identified by the TSAB, and while a private contractor group might be viewed with a little suspicion by some people, I suppose, but just being related to someone from that wouldn't be cause for deportation on its own. - Such a company would probably have a lot of resources available to it, along with connections. Jail wasn't the only one who was capable of creating combat cyborgs, after all. - She got her neck broken and was still able to move around and fight. That's probably the biggest tell right there; not too many organic life forms capable of pulling that off. |
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2011-05-29, 15:46 | Link #2211 |
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I still say the "broken neck" thing was the big guy overestimating himself. He meant to decapitate her and couldn't do that. Why are you so sure he didn't assume wrong about her neck breaking?
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2011-05-29, 16:04 | Link #2217 | |
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I'd say no, as we've seen nothing to hint that they can, but the feeling of material shattering doesn't require any mystical connection to your tools. |
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2011-05-29, 16:12 | Link #2219 |
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Oh, well I'm an idiot then.
Still, I'd say Deville's probably skilled enough with that thing to be pretty close with such an assessment. Also noteworthy: the same chapter seemed to imply that a blow from him would have killed Nanoha. Last edited by Justin_Brett; 2011-05-29 at 16:22. |
2011-05-29, 16:28 | Link #2220 |
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Possibly, but if your attack's intention fails altogether, you can't be very sure as to how well you've managed to inflict lesser injuries. DeVille's intention was a clean cut, and he was stopped. There are grounds for misinterpretation in that, and DeVille seems like a proud fellow (plus it was a suspense factor for the next chapter).
She was bleeding from her wound and certainly in a great deal of pain when we cut back to her, but we never saw her neck out of alignment. If she'd anticipated the attack without any time to evade, she might still have been able to change the blow's angle with her white perfume (which can alter vectors) or otherwise do something to soften the impact.
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