(L) Negima Manga Discussion

[Geburah]

I just noticed thatn Asuna look like a child when Iincho was a child too. That may mean that either the flashbacks happened a little before the Nagi´s "death" (in that case she truly is 15 years) or either her growing was halted for some reason and resumed later

[Rehwyn]

Originally Posted by Geburah

I just noticed thatn Asuna look like a child when Iincho was a child too. That may mean that either the flashbacks happened a little before the Nagi´s "death" (in that case she truly is 15 years) or either her growing was halted for some reason and resumed later

She looks like a child in all of her flashbacks prior to coming to the "real world" which I assume cover at least a 10-year period (due to what I mentioned before). I'm not sure why she didn't appear to grow for that time but appears to have grown normally once coming to the real world. Perhaps it has something to do with whatever was done to her to remove her memories of that time? That's just complete speculation though.

I assume we'll eventually find out what's the deal. Well, hopefully... ><;

[Asrialys]

Perhaps she's artificial. A "test tube" child of magic, created for a purpose. She may have magically aged or her makeup allowed her to age to the point at which Nagi found her. While she was with Nagi, she didn't age. Nagi's group went through all the trouble of saving/protecting her, thus bringing about its eventual breakup. At some point before disappearing into the Non-Magic World, Nagi might have "fixed" Asuna, allowing her to age and live a normal life.

[Rehwyn]

Originally Posted by Asrialys

Perhaps she's artificial. A "test tube" child of magic, created for a purpose. She may have magically aged or her makeup allowed her to age to the point at which Nagi found her. While she was with Nagi, she didn't age. Nagi's group went through all the trouble of saving/protecting her, thus bringing about its eventual breakup. At some point before disappearing into the Non-Magic World, Nagi might have "fixed" Asuna, allowing her to age and live a normal life.

The notion that she was a being somehow created by a method involving magic did cross my mind as well, actually. She could have been potentially been created in order to use the Magic Null ability for defense in the war or something. The fact she's heterochromatic (different eye colors) could also be a hint that perhaps both ki and magic were involved, which could potentially explain why she's so good at kanka. Still, these theories is just complete guesses at this point, and I don't like to do that... too much.

[AlaAlba]

Originally Posted by Asrialys

Perhaps she's artificial. A "test tube" child of magic, created for a purpose.

1 thing I would really hate to happen in this arc, if that guess of yours were right, Asuna turn evil and tries to kill negi and friends in the end.

this kind of plot is just boring and I really mad knowing chidori turned evil, or should I say resided with the bad guys, in the last seconds because of that now I dont really like FMP again...
I hope akamatsu wont do that

[Rehwyn]

Originally Posted by AlaAlba

1 thing I would really hate to happen in this arc, if that guess of yours were right, Asuna turn evil and tries to kill negi and friends in the end.

this kind of plot is just boring and I really mad knowing chidori turned evil, or should I say resided with the bad guys, in the last seconds because of that now I dont really like FMP again...
I hope akamatsu wont do that

Talk about major spoilers from the FMP novels, lol.

Anyways, I doubt something like that would happen with Asuna. If anything, she'd just be rather shocked and have some personal/emotional problems, especially if she suddenly remembered her sadness at Gatou's death and Nagi's disappearance.

[Asrialys]

Spoiler for should possible plot-lines be in spoilers?:

Well, I never said that she'll turn evil. Although, now that you mention it, there might be something that still binds her to her original "owners" if Nagi hasn't broken the connection yet (maybe that's what he's doing now?). Maybe Fate or whoever is his boss (if he's working for someone) will manipulate Asuna, then make her go berserk and attack Negi or the other girls.

[Rehwyn]

Originally Posted by Asrialys

Spoiler for should possible plot-lines be in spoilers?:

Well, I never said that she'll turn evil. Although, now that you mention it, there might be something that still binds her to her original "owners" if Nagi hasn't broken the connection yet (maybe that's what he's doing now?). Maybe Fate or whoever is his boss (if he's working for someone) will manipulate Asuna, then make her go berserk and attack Negi or the other girls.

I don't think possible plot theories need to be in spoilers since they're just that: theories. That's an interesting idea you mention regarding her possibly somehow still being bound by her past, though I think those ties would have been broken when she was recovered by Nagi.

Oh by the way, I was rereading some old chapters last night and think I found pretty decent evidence demonstrating that time doesn't flow differently in the magic world compared to the real world.

1) 25 years ago (in the real world), Nagi was 10 years old when he won the Mahora martial arts tournament.

2) 20 years ago (in the magic world), Nagi was 15 years old when he was involved in the war.

Now, if time flowed differently in the magic world compared to the real world, those two dates and ages wouldn't match up.

Here's an example of what I mean (supposing time flows twice as fast in the magic world): If Nagi had gone over to the magic world between the age of 10-15 (20-25 years ago in the real world), it would have been 40-50 years ago in the magic world, far too early. If Nagi had stayed in the real world all that time until right before the magic war (10 years ago in the real world), he would have been 25 at the time of the war in the magic world, far too old.

Now, I just arbitrarily chose "twice as fast," but the same idea holds for any number. It's impossible for Nagi to be 15 at the time of the war in the magic world if time flows faster there; he'd always end up being older than 15.

[AlaAlba]

Originally Posted by Rehwyn

Nothing in 169 definitively
3) In 169, when the spirit cannon shots disappear (assumedly due to Asuna's magic cancelling ability), someone comments, "it wasn't the capitol's magic barrier?!". In 197, Asakura notes that Ostia was the capitol up until the war 20 years ago and that it is now ruins. This strongly hints that this flashback is of a battle involving Ostia during the war 20 years ago.

Originally Posted by Rehwyn

She looks like a child in all of her flashbacks prior to coming to the "real world" which I assume cover at least a 10-year period (due to what I mentioned before). I'm not sure why she didn't appear to grow for that time but appears to have grown normally once coming to the real world. Perhaps it has something to do with whatever was done to her to remove her memories of that time? That's just complete speculation though.

I ve just read that chapter again and yeah now I think that Asuna is older than she looks. and with the fact that she didnt appear to grow in the 10 years span of her journey with nagi and co made me think that she somehow is similar to Eva in which she have an eternal life.
Nagi & co' purpose on their 10 years journey would be to find the cure of this Asuna's "eternal life". and maybe they succeed on it since Asuna started to grow normally from 10 years ago.

Originally Posted by Rehwyn

The notion that she was a being somehow created by a method involving magic did cross my mind as well, actually. She could have been potentially been created in order to use the Magic Null ability for defense in the war or something. The fact she's heterochromatic (different eye colors) could also be a hint that perhaps both ki and magic were involved, which could potentially explain why she's so good at kanka. Still, these theories is just complete guesses at this point, and I don't like to do that... too much.

and again from that chapter i read something about "wide area magic reduction", the spirit cannon shots dissappear because of this technology, which was used by that little kingdom. and this kingdom were using asuna on this technology, who knows from when Asuna was used by them, maybe she s even older than Eva. maybe this kingdom stopped Asuna's growth so they can use her power forever.

and from chapter 209, we know that Fate's purpose is to control all the magic power in magic world. the guy in the hood said something that until the magic power filled up it ll need another 3 weeks... maybe Fate destroyed all the gate to make the magic power currents go all the way to Ostia, the only gate that have left.
and then Ostia would be the perfect place to use that "wide area magic reduction" thingy once again. and to do this he have to use Asuna's power. NOOOO!!!!

[Rehwyn]

Originally Posted by AlaAlba

I ve just read that chapter again and yeah now I think that Asuna is older than she looks. and with the fact that she didnt appear to grow in the 10 years span of her journey with nagi and co made me think that she somehow is similar to Eva in which she have an eternal life.
Nagi & co' purpose on their 10 years journey would be to find the cure of this Asuna's "eternal life". and maybe they succeed on it since Asuna started to grow normally from 10 years ago.

and again from that chapter i read something about "wide area magic reduction", the spirit cannon shots dissappear because of this technology, which was used by that little kingdom. and this kingdom were using asuna on this technology, who knows from when Asuna was used by them, maybe she s even older than Eva. maybe this kingdom stopped Asuna's growth so they can use her power forever.

and from chapter 209, we know that Fate's purpose is to control all the magic power in magic world. the guy in the hood said something that until the magic power filled up it ll need another 3 weeks... maybe Fate destroyed all the gate to make the magic power currents go all the way to Ostia, the only gate that have left.
and then Ostia would be the perfect place to use that "wide area magic reduction" thingy once again. and to do this he have to use Asuna's power. NOOOO!!!!

I think there might be something like "eternal life" involved with Asuna too and personally can't wait to find out all the missing details regarding her past. I think you're also probably right that Asuna was a part of that country for a while beforehand, since the people seemed to recognize that it was due to her intervention the magic cannons didn't work, which seems to imply she'd been around at least long enough for people to know she can do that sort of thing.

That's an interesting theory regarding Fate's plans and potentially involving Asuna. When he ambushed Negi, he said it was complete coincidence that they were both there at the same time, but who knows? He could easily have been lying.

Just a few more days until 213 and more Yue... can't wait!

[AlaAlba]

Originally Posted by Rehwyn

That's an interesting theory regarding Fate's plans and potentially involving Asuna. When he ambushed Negi, he said it was complete coincidence that they were both there at the same time, but who knows? He could easily have been lying.

Just a few more days until 213 and more Yue... can't wait!

yeah but there s contradiction on how he send Tsukuyomi to keep tracking Asuna's(and konoka) movement all along. if he dont care about them he wont do that. maybe it s something in his plan which is connecting with asuna.
and I wanna know also about the gate at ostia, if it were a gate to the real world then where the exit would be? maybe the exit is Mahora Gakuen the place where asuna he thought is at. well, now it is not that important since asuna is in the magic world.

chap 213 , me too. a few more days? you mean tomorrow?

[Sian]

exit is in Eishuns basement

[Anh_Minh]

Exit is Mahora's bathroom. Damn peeping tom.

[Rehwyn]

Originally Posted by Devilen

exit is in Eishuns basement

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Exit is Mahora's bathroom. Damn peeping tom.

Both are good options~

On a side note, 213 raw is out for those of you that are interested. Makes me wish I could read Japanese. ><;;

[Sian]

Yue 1 - Dragon 0

[DJ_RockmanX]

Isn't that a griffin?

[al103]

>Isn't that a griffin?

It's griffin dragon. Don't ask me how it's possible...

[Anh_Minh]

Well, when a griffin mommy and a daddy dragon love each other very much...

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by al103

>Isn't that a griffin?

It's griffin dragon. Don't ask me how it's possible...

i see someone who never read the Xanth series

[mdauben]

I just finished looking through the RAW for Ch 213, and I can't wait until these last two chapters get scanlated. Both look exciting, and I can't wait to get a clearer idea of exactly what it happening.