2006-03-28, 00:05 | Link #81 |
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-For me, if Sasuke was to redeem himself then he would have to do it on his death hour. I'm not saying this as a person who uterly dispises him but what I am proposing is that Sasuke at the very least deserves an honoreable death, one that fits a warrior/ninja. If Sasuke is anything like the DBZ Vegeta (this is assumed knowing the fact that Kishimoto is a fan of DBZ) then it would make for an impresive moment. With death the body and soul separate themselves and the sins, the shame, the pain that the person experienced in their life is washed away. Yeah, I guess that would make for a good redemption for him.
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2006-03-28, 08:20 | Link #83 | ||
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Second, Oro was alone with Jiraya after his scape, no ANKO on the scene or close to it, Second Contradiction. Third, Oro said he threw Anko away, when this could have being perfectly done before his escape form Konoha, How?..Let see, This simple, “Kukuku..ANKO, you are not of my need anymore, I’m not interested, bye”, There is nothing wrong, if we placed this After or Before he left Konoha, it can be placed in any moment, not just after he left it. 4th, When ANKO mentioned “You must really like that Kid”, is not that he liked him, rather that he wanted something from them, I don’t know what it was in the case of Anko, For Sasuke we do know what it is, For Oro, they are just means to get something. 5th And Oro said, “Jealous are we?”, I find this funny coming from you, when you have defended your points before saying that Oro should not be trustworthy on what he say, Oro was just being himself, sarcastic to say the least. Your perception is not wrong, rather that your theories have too many holes to place it as the most likely over the one that say Oro fled Konoha alone with no ANKO and Until there is something in the manga that can prove your point, you are just contradicting what we know. Quote:
And then, the Curse seal is an Evil influence, but in this case ANKO’s Curse seal was suppressed, and She as shown did not relied on it.
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2006-03-28, 13:15 | Link #85 | |
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Regarding CS, since we don't know the time frame, it is possible to think in both ways. You are free to not accept it, but currently there is nothing that contradicts with either opinion. Regarding Oro's personality, as long as someone wants to flee with him or there is someone he can use easily, there is no reason to not take this person with you. We haven't shown anything that contradicts with that. He will rely on and use some other unknown and untrustable people for his sake, but he will avoid that with Anko! I don't think that is what Oro would have done. Also, if Oro left without preparing for his departure, then he wouldn't have time to say “Kukuku..ANKO, you are not of my need anymore, I’m not interested, bye”, and he wouldn't have gone back to Konoha just to say that, right? Regarding Oro's words, if his words are based on only his impressions on some people he doesn't exactly know (like Naruto), then I don't find that trustworthy, considering his personality. But, if his opinions are based on some people whom he knows quite well, then I don't see a reason to immediately ignore that. Notice that, his words came as an answer to Anko's like related words. That words may not represent the current Anko, but considering their past together, that might be related to the past Anko. And I believe I used that for the past version of her. |
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2006-03-28, 14:13 | Link #86 | ||||
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Understand that Oro disposed or to put it in better words, He used her, and then cut his ties with her before Being caught in his secret lab -ANBU member one “As of late you have being acting strange”. Quote:
The point remains, That Orochimaru made that comment as mocking ANKO rather than Reflecting her true feelings, As ANKO question was more in concerned of Orochimarus acts, rather than she still felt bad because Oro decided to Tag another person with the CS (if she ever did, there is no Indication she did felt bad after Oro threw her away). Furthermore this will continue to go on, as every Debate that it is made with you (it is imposible to try and prove you wrong, even with facts ), so lets see our original point of discussion, lets Assume for a moment you scenario, ANKO did left with Oro, now Oro took ANKO as part of his luggage, this is still totally different from Sasuke acts. Sasuke left Konoha, alone by his own will, And Almost killed a Konoha Shinoby, Konoha should be graceful enough that the one who faced him was Naruto, any other Genin would had end up dead, So far was his treason, that he in the moment of his escape was willing to kill any Konoha Shinoby, now I ask you, Could you apply this same situation and compared to ANKO? (Of course assuming your theory is correct)
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2006-03-28, 14:29 | Link #87 | |||
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We have only shown Sandaime and a few dead ANBU members when he was first fleeing. How did Jiraiya, who wasn't shown in that lab scene, find Oro? And if Jiraiya can do that, why not Anko do the same thing? Edit: Quote:
Anyway, as you suspected, I will for the time stay faıthful to that perception. If anything comes up that directly contradicts with what I say, those will change. I went through the previous chapters and saw an interesting comment that Tsunade made. When she was explaining the mission about Sasuke to Shikamaru, she said "this isn't the first time something like this has happened." Any comments? Last edited by Sazelyt; 2006-03-28 at 18:12. |
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2006-03-28, 14:54 | Link #88 | ||||
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A-Because Orochimaru was alone with Jiraya, did not have any companion. (meaning ANKO was not with him at that moment). B-HE was escaping Konoha, not leaving as Sasuke did, or Itachi, He was caught, and was looked for by The entire ANBU team, hence he was in hurry, criminals like this don’t stop for things on the way. (meaning he left Konoha without her) Quote:
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2006-03-28, 14:57 | Link #89 |
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I don't think Orochimaru would throw Anko away.
My theory is that Anko left, probably convinced by Yondaime, so Oro is jealous now, trying to save his dignity by saying she was weak to begin with. There is no reason to believe he would actually throw her away and let her live! |
2006-03-28, 15:59 | Link #90 | |
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2006-03-28, 17:23 | Link #91 | |
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I don't think Orochimaru would throw her away either; at least not until he had something that was better which he didn't at that time. More than likely, he never got the chance to get close to Anko because of the 4th, the 3rd, Jiraiya and ANBU or because Anko simply decided she didn't want to leave Konoha behind.
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2006-05-26, 12:30 | Link #92 | |
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2007-04-27, 12:47 | Link #93 |
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Can Sasuke become a Kanoha Ninja once more?
Okay, so we all know that Sasuke has been put off as a criminal (bingo book), and he has scratched off his forehead protector.
But lets just say after he has killed (or defeats) Itachi (that being his goal). Could the Kanoha community give him immunity for his actions? Keep in mind that Sasuke hasn't harm Kanoha (or the civilians, besides Naruto). |
2007-04-27, 14:05 | Link #96 |
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No. Because even if your an ex-agent and kill a person who killed the people in your street or crew and betraying them afterwards you wont get off.
They may thank you but at the same time you are put behind bars anyway. Obviously Naruto has some great connections and Sasuke wont die if the catch him....but if he is welcome....i doubt that actually.
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2007-04-27, 14:31 | Link #98 | |
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2007-04-27, 16:26 | Link #99 |
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I agree that Sasuke could probably return to Konoha if he wanted to, though I was skeptical about this at first. Konoha doesn't even seem to consider him a criminal. I doubt he'd even be punished (he's too powerful for that anyway).
The question is would Sasuke even want to come back? I don't see it happening. Even if he does kill Itachi and survives the ordeal, he would probably want to rebuild his clan and start his own village. He has the power and influence to do that now. I don't see why he would want to go back to serving Konoha. |
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