2010-08-01, 23:39 | Link #15081 | |
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Edit: And for those who haven't noticed, I'm slowly starting to build up my theory in the link from my sig. 4-7 are the more Shkanon-related parts.
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2010-08-02, 00:22 | Link #15082 |
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I'm not seeing any point in convincing someone of something when you're both just going to die anyway. You basically wind up in the crazy/delusional/psychopath motive mode there, unless the person isn't responsible for the explosion and has no idea it's coming. Then it's just silly.
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2010-08-02, 00:29 | Link #15083 |
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That can't be her goal. She made the game for him to solve. When he resigned in EP2 and EP3, Beato let him get back up, and even motivated him. She doesn't want to beat him.
The entire purpose is for Shannon to get Battler to realise he loves her. We first see this in EP4, then it keeps getting backed up in EP6. Firstly she tries to get him to answer the question of who to sacrifice, but that was just a ploy to find out who he likes. When that failed, she moved onto the direct question. Then she just gave up, and died. |
2010-08-02, 00:44 | Link #15084 |
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And uh... what if he doesn't love her? Why would he? Why does he even need to? What if he realizes it and figures they've both moved on? What then? And if they both acknowledge and agree to that and move on, what was the point of all that other stuff just for that?
It's been six damn years. You don't go to such elaborate lengths for something like that. This cannot all be a story about puppy love. It's ridiculous.
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2010-08-02, 00:47 | Link #15085 | |
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2010-08-02, 01:05 | Link #15086 | |
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Honestly I really hope Ryukishi isn't making the motive a cheesy line that sounds like a half-baked promise. It would be more unrealistic than all the fantasy scenes combined. |
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2010-08-02, 01:13 | Link #15088 | |
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Well it's probably not that anyway.
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There was but we don't know who she is pushing it onto or who is doing the pushing, or if it's even relevant to anything, but we can guess. There is also the line that says "and take this personality that matches his". Whose personality matches his? Well that'd be Jessica.
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2010-08-02, 01:14 | Link #15089 |
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The problem is that even tho I do feel 12 years old love is nothing beyond a crush and not something to dwell on, it's still a fact by now that whoever is Beatrice felt so hurt about her love that she "pushed it" on the Beatrice persona within herself.
... and claiming something like Rosa loved 12 years old Battler makes it even scarier... ... That's hard to swallow no matter what it seems... Which makes me hope that Beatrice is not the culprit. Or that she might be the culprit "within the tales that the arcs are" because SOMEONE has to play the villain and the writer of the tale wouldn't be too fair if they threw that role around to someone else. That would imply that on "Rokkenjima Prime" there is never any murders or even plans to. |
2010-08-02, 01:28 | Link #15090 | |
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We then see a scene where Shannon confesses her love and pushes Battler's personality onto someone. Lo and behold, EP4, a girl meeting Battler's exact description appears in front of him. She then talks dirtily and rudely to him, messing about. Battler even comments about what a good time he's having. That's a strong basis of Shannontrice, if nothing else. |
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2010-08-02, 01:34 | Link #15091 | ||
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Well what I want to know then is who the 'Beatrice' talking to Shannon is then? Because with the way it reads it sounds like the Beatrice before her wants to forget about Battler and places this will or whatever on someone else. Quote:
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2010-08-02, 02:40 | Link #15092 | |
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EDIT: In the interest of talking about something else... short of "I wouldn't put it past Kinzo", how did the gold get to its current location and/or who knows about it? I don't mean why it's on Rokkenjima in the first place, I've seen that being discussed... but it's supposed to be in some kind of secret location, yeah? Either it was moved there or construction was done around the gold, and in both cases somebody in addition to Kinzo probably has to know about it... right? Last edited by k//eternal; 2010-08-02 at 02:53. |
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2010-08-02, 03:55 | Link #15093 | |
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Beatrice-1 is supposed to be responsible for Kinzo locating it, my current best guess is that Beatrice-1 is meant to be the 1947 Tropical Storm Beatrice, which is somehow responsible for Kinzo discovering either Rokkenjima itself with a vault already there, or a shipwreck from the few Golden Lily shipments of gold that were sent to mainland Japan. (some of them are reported to have been lost) It could also be that Kinzo participated in creating the vault in the first place as part of his duties (according to one of the TIPS, "A Certain Witch Hunter's Interview Tape", "The previous head-of-house [Kinzo] was only a junior-grade officer during the war who held no special power,...") and the tropical storm destroyed the ship which was transporting all other surviving witnesses to the location of a particular gold vault. As a result my current position is that the initial Beatrice is a mental image of an ideal woman "responsible for giving him the gold", created purely by Kinzo's imagination. Subsequent real instance(s) of Beatrice are his attempts to incarnate this mental image in one way or another. EDIT: As a side note, Genji can be one of those soldiers employed in creation of the vault. In certain reports of Yamashita's treasure vaults, both prisoners and enlisted men of the Imperial Army were sealed inside freshly created vaults. Genji could be the lone survivor of such an atrocity, and Kinzo saving him by opening the discovered vault from the outside would surely earn his undying loyalty that we see in the text.
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2010-08-02, 05:21 | Link #15094 | |
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Look at the circuimstances: Hideyoshi's company: someone is buying out his company. Rudolf's company: someone is clearly providing information to the corporate giant in USA about him in order to make them pressure Rudolf's company. Krauss's company: someone is making sure to leave him short on money. Kinzo's death could be also not really natural. Everything looks like someone could've been making preparations to set some certain conditions for them to make them all need A LOT OF MONEY MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. The same could be actually said about Rosa. This co-signed debt doesn't really look very natural to me. Anyone who could've made all this possible, as well as storing enough money in vaults seen by Ange in 1998, surely has A LOT of power. Probably even more power and money than Kinzo had. Could it be that the real owners of the gold, or some goverment people who know all about it and its relations to the Ushiromiya family, actually set this all up in order to retrieve it? The funny thing is, aside from ep3 where Eva survives, we don't know what actually happens to the gold. It's quite possible that the person (or the syndicate) responsible for everything just snatched it later. And that's probably what R07 meant by 'something went wrong in ep3'. Eva wasn't supposed to survive. |
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2010-08-02, 06:46 | Link #15095 |
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World peace...
Is it connected to the gold? If the truth about that gold is found there would be a diplomatic incident? That isn't so far-fetched if the gold is the yamashita gold, or even the gold embezzled by the nazi germany. What if the explosion was a way to put a cover on the whole story? The question is: who could do that? The government?
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2010-08-02, 07:30 | Link #15096 |
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According to Sterling & Peggy Seagrave, "Gold Warriors: America's Secret Recovery of Yamashita's Gold" (I couldn't get the full book, but there's excerpts on Google Books) - Yamashita's gold is quite tightly connected to world peace.
If their words are to be given any credence, (sensational as the book is, it appears extensively researched -- now whether the sources are speaking the firsthand truth is another question) both Japanese government and the US government would be contenders to prevent proof of the Ushiromiya gold being connected to Yamashita gold in any way from being discovered, as well as anyone involved with the collection of Yamashita gold, which would be both the Imperial Family and yakuza clans.
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2010-08-02, 08:15 | Link #15099 |
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It seems to say the total is on the scale of 1500 metric tons, probably quite a bit more, but there are supposed to be hundreds of individual vaults, most of them (but not all) in Philippines.
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2010-08-02, 08:44 | Link #15100 |
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Well the main problem here is that the "yamashita gold" actually indicates a lot of various valuables, not gold alone.
Plus I haven't found any indication of 10kg gold ingots. So we need to think if this gold was ever part of the yamashita gold it was melted and then reshaped into the 1000 10kg ingots stored in the secret room of Rokkenjima. But in that case how could you make a clear connection between that gold and the yamashita gold? it would be impossible to determine the origin of that gold. So even if this gold was found it would be hard to make any claim on it, it's not like the yamashita gold is the only gold that "vanished" and it isn't even supposed to be near Tokyo. Pretty much everyone then could claim that "it's my gold" but no proof could ever be presented. I can hardly see how the discovery of this gold could lead to a serious diplomatic incident.
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