2012-12-17, 02:51 | Link #31421 | |
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Though this would make EP3 the most cruel game in the process as it would more than any other game imply that 'Beatrice' has actually lost her marbles and went on a killing spree. The only thing that helps with this is the End Roll of EP1 already saying that none of the theories put out after the message bottle was found and the Witch Serial Murder craze started was actually correct. |
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2012-12-17, 09:19 | Link #31422 | |
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I had a very elegant theory for the parlor scene in 5, involving how the game signposted with clues that the number of people had changed, but one of Lambda's reds (at least in the manga) crushed that theory to small and sad pieces. I always thought the point in three was that Kyrie survived, even her TIP pointed out that a wound to what most people refer to as the stomach isn't immediately fatal (even in a thin person it's mostly fat, space and some gut). Though she only has gameboard motivations to play dead in front of Battler (or be conveniently unconscious) even seeing a stake in there means nothing |
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2012-12-17, 09:22 | Link #31423 |
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Also note what comes with the American version of the Uminelo anime:
[Premium box with bonus item: A full-color, 28-page hardcover art book, which will provide a deeper understanding of the series with an in-depth story analysis, detailed character bios, and character sketches |
2012-12-17, 13:42 | Link #31425 | |
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My basis for doubting this ability of his is the happenings in Dawn. In this episode, a clear distinction is made between being the detective (which Battler is: Until now, you have been the DETECTIVE!) and declaring the detective's authority (which Battler never did). Being the detective only means the narration from his or her point of view can't deceive the reader by telling falsehoods. It doesn't mean the detective can't be deceived, by faked or misdiagnosed deaths, for instance. 'Van Dine's 2nd: No wilful tricks or deceptions may be played on the reader other than those played legitimately by the criminal on the detective himself.' (I am not using this rule as an authority and it doesn't fit Umineko as a whole at all, but I found the phrasing nicely fitting for this case.) I realise that the gameboards in Chiru are filled with irregularities, and that the characters do not always tell the truth about the power they can use—not to mention Ryukishi07 is very whimsical with the rules (regarding the need to provide evidence when stating something in red which is brought up at convenient moments; the capacity to 'lock' the Red Truth; or even the Golden Truth). But do you have clues that would indicate Battler's autopsy being absolute? Regarding Nanjo's murder, there is something I want to ask for: what is everyone's opinion on the money the survivors were sent after the events? I think solving this riddle first would help solving this one. 07151129 is related to both George (TIPS and time at which it appeared) and Nanjo (the money), and Nanjo is a probable accomplice for George's escape from the guest house. Among the pieces whose death wasn't confirmed, George sounds like a likely culprit. Furthermore, he was injured which could account for his later death. Last edited by lpf; 2012-12-21 at 16:56. |
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2012-12-17, 16:31 | Link #31426 | |
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After all in Ep 3 Eva seems to feel responsible for the deaths and yet, if she's not the same as Eva Beatrice, she killed no one and therefore she's not responsible for what had happened. In short Beato is still following the epitaph as in the other games and, in fact, if you don't know Eva solved the epitaph (and pieces didn't know it) what she's doing is perfectly fine. The dialogues between Eva and Eva Beatrice are pretty interesting if one thinks at them as dialogues between Eva and Yasu. I wonder if, in any game, Beato planned to put the blame on someone. In fact in Ep 4 she pushes the blame on Kinzo (which is possibly the best sacrifical lamb as he's dead) and in Ep 2 she pushes it on Kanon (and the servants by default). Ep 1 is maybe the oddest because as soon as you suspect someone (Eva, the servants, Natsuhi) he dies... |
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2012-12-17, 19:35 | Link #31427 | |
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Plus if you were given adequate clues that his fursona was walking around and doing stuff and also that he was the body for that fursona, then you probably could. Though I didn't think you needed to for Umineko to work.... |
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2012-12-17, 20:01 | Link #31428 | |
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2012-12-18, 09:07 | Link #31432 | |
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2012-12-18, 17:17 | Link #31434 |
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No need to cry
EP7 was corrected to a v2 right after Entitlement much... That was not me, but the hiragana for 'ki' (き) and 'sa' (さ) might be mistaken for each other if the quality of the raw scan is low (and the translator is not familiar with the VN)
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2012-12-18, 18:18 | Link #31435 |
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I've heard worse and anyway they're doing all the work for free. I saw professional doing way worse and getting money for it. Plus, I suggest everyone to drop this topic as it's forbidden to talk about scanlations of licensed material on the forum and Umineko is now a licensed manga .
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2012-12-18, 22:51 | Link #31437 | |
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Yasu makes Beatrice the "culprit" responsible for ruining her relationships with George and Jessica, but that can't represent what Yasu actually wants. Yasu must have cared deeply for all three of them, or this whole conflict doesn't seem to make any sense. And since Beatrice is her most treasured furniture, assigning her as the culprit apparently doesn't mean that Yasu is pushing responsibility for the situation onto another person or something like fate. After all, in the story, Beatrice knew this might happen since the beginning, just as Yasu must have.
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2012-12-19, 02:37 | Link #31438 | |
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The only real problem is how that escalates into a mass murder, if that even actually happened. |
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2012-12-19, 03:13 | Link #31439 | |
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2012-12-19, 11:05 | Link #31440 | |
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1. When she first tries to tempt Shannon and Kanon into having love on their own. 2. Shortly after Kanon realizes how serious Jessica was about him. 3. Right after George unexpectedly tells Shannon about the ring. So if anything, she's shown as being responsible for making Jessica and George love Yasu more, not for ending their relationships. Even when the crimes start, she offers to take them to the Golden Land, which would make their love eternal. I'd say that Beatrice isn't made to look evil because she destroys love, but because she creates love that can't be supported. Yasu, someone scarred, abandoned, and forced to wait for love for years, would likely be desperate for love despite any risks. Yasu, someone scarred, abandoned, and forced to wait for love for years, could easily convince herself that any future relationship she got into would end much like her first one. Yasu, someone scarred, abandoned, and forced to wait for love for years, would feel more guilty than anyone else if she unwittingly did to her friends what Battler did to her.
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