2013-10-16, 12:01 | Link #21 | |
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Obito wanted to emotionally break down Naruto but it's going the opposite way, as expected. But the funny thing is that looking at the current chapter one could say that Naruto is very smart and is very good at psychology, that's why instead of using his clones he used his friends and with that created a scene that had such an effect on Obito
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BTW Obito is not a 100% sage of 6 paths because he doesn't have the 8 and 9 tails inside himself. Now i just wonder what the hell is this creation of the world, in Madara's story about the 10-tails and the Sage the world already existed. I remember there was a debate about the origin of chakra, maybe this "creation" means that the Sage actually distributed the chakra taken from the god tree / 10-tails to everyone and everything (plants, animals) in the world. Still, why the sword, a sword doesn't seem to be something that one can create with. Maybe the DNA form of the sword is a hint: the Sage inserted the chakra ability/power into everything that has DNA, from humans to bacteria. And maybe the "natural energy" that's now in nature is actually originated from there, since plants and animals also have it so once uses sage mode he lends the "natural energy" of the living world around him and uses it, but everything originates from the Sage of 6 paths. This would tie together natural energy, the god tree, the Sage of 6 paths, Orochimaru's plans and experiments with his goal of knowing everything, why Orochi was so interested in Sasuke, why would he and thus Kabuto be so sure that EMS leads to rinnegan, etc... And additionally Juugo being able to communicate with the animals would make more sense because his bloodline also has the ability to draw natural energy from the living world, which means he has a natural connection with animals and plants around him thoruh natural energy that connects every living being. Also this could explain how can people sense each other's thoughts so easily in the latest chapters, it's ok that Ino became better with her jutsu but constant mental connection with the whole army doesn't sound like just Ino's ability, not to mention that even Kakashi is in connection with Sage-Tobito now. Juugo alone being part of this whole thing seems also to be a hint for this, he is the one who can give some explanations to the readers when the time comes. He "talking" to animals really seems to be something similar to what now the "natural energy" powered army and Naruto can do. As for the story, this seems to be a logical thing: the sage of 6 paths may have distributed the god tree-s chakra to every living being because he wanted some kind of mental connection between them because he believed that it's the only way to let people feel each other's feelings and thoughts and thus let them understand each other and bring peace to the world. Of course here we have Naruto who will succeed at this. And then the kyuubi's flashback about the Sage saying that one day someone will bring them all togethere again will have a clear meaning: the sage realized that he failed to achieve his final goal but he realized that there will be someone who will finish what he started. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-10-16 at 12:24. |
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2013-10-16, 12:04 | Link #23 |
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Rasengan of friendship shall win this fight, FT-style! Well, that was quite uneventful for an entire chapter, Obito seeing his alternative future after THIS many years was so damn cheesy...and Kakashi's shared vision smells like more of this stuff coming soon.
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2013-10-16, 13:08 | Link #26 | |
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as for the creation of the universe, im not ready to agree that there was a universal distribution of chakra. i need some clarity into exactly what that fruit was that O. Kaguya ate..
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2013-10-16, 17:11 | Link #28 |
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The other ninja are essentially useless in both battles, but I'll definetly admit the Pein arc was worse in that regard. The entire village couldn't even take out one Pein body. Not one.The author could have had them take out a couple then face the problem of them being resurrected, but no, not even the weakest one was taken down. Of course upon arrival, Naruto takes one out with a single hit lol
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2013-10-16, 17:26 | Link #29 | |
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2013-10-16, 17:37 | Link #31 | |
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My argument against that reasoning was that the chapter didn't explicitly say that all chakra came from the god tree, it's more probable that only very special chakra that later gave birth to advanced bloodlines and such came from it but all living beings had their regular chakra anyway. What i like about this "creation" idea is not only that it would tie together many things that i explained in my previous post, but also that it's a much more elegant explanation than saying that the author completely contradicted himself in the most important part of the story or my previous explanation that is too complicated and boring. Well it could be, i just got the impression that Obito isn't really performing on the level of a guy who created the moon. But anyway it doesn't matter because he will lose not because he is weak but because his mental problems Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-10-16 at 18:09. |
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2013-10-16, 18:06 | Link #32 |
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Everyone is on point here with their observations on this chapter. But is it just me or is everyone forgetting the prophesy told by so6p? Berfore he died, he assembled the tailed beats and told them one day the tentails will be 'ressurectd' but a reincarnation of him (so6p = naruto) with the help of kurama will save the day. Errrmmmm so6p ddnt mention an uchiha helping out did he? So why d hell is sasuke tagteaming with naruto to defeat obito? I kinda figured in the last chapter(650) when naruto, sasuke n juugo where powerslammed to the ground by obito that sasuke n juugo will be too weak to fight. And so all will be left to naruto as the prophesy foretold to defeat obito/tentails. But i guess kishi forgot dat eyy?? (Somebody get that man secretary!!)
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2013-10-16, 18:11 | Link #33 | |
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In this chapter, the team seems to be "sharing the glory" by being involved in the attack, yet this is but another attack that Naruto could have just as well have done himself and probably would have been stronger going solo, considering what a Naruto clone is capable of these days. So, the question becomes, in context of battle, what practical use are Naruto's friends if the author only allows them to do something significant when Naruto gives them the kyuubi's power? Sadly, other than your typical utility-type sidekick assistance, some of their greatest work has been either getting mortally wounded or killed in battle, thereby providing our hero with the necessary emotional motivation needed to couragously press on :/ I laughed to myself this morning wondering if anyone actually believed that this was really teamwork. Several chapters ago, Naruto was even controlling the kyuubi cloaks on the alliance, essentaially fighting for them, and now we have the rookies wearing his sage-like cloak and using his signature move... Sharing the glory indeed. |
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2013-10-17, 00:46 | Link #38 | |
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How can you "steal" a form of chakra manipulation? Senjutsu is something you train for and learn to draw from surroundings. Theres no reservoir of senjutsu chakra inside hashirama to steal in the first place. It's like saying someone wants to steal the Rasengan. Also i'm assuming that Madara's "trump card" from earlier chapters was the knowledge that senjutsu can harm obito in his current form (which naruto figured out anyway). So what exactly is Madara planning? Why try to take down obito? Obito is carrying out the plan madara wanted. I thought madara was some nihilist selfless badguy doing it all "for the greater good". Shouldn't he be fighting alongside obito helping protect him? |
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2013-10-17, 02:41 | Link #39 | |
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but yea, all jokes aside. anyone who thinks this is teamwork is sorely mistaken and completely under the influence of kishi presenting this as team work when in fact it's the exact opposite. and even if people defend to the death that this is teamwork, it should still bother them that this is all konoha. i guess the other 4 villages can just stop and go home now |
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2013-10-17, 09:54 | Link #40 | |
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Ah man. I was hoping you would go take a peek at the chapter Madara extended one of those black rod from his hand and every panel after that we see hashirama dodging the hell out of it. Senjutsu is just chakra and all you need is chakra absorbing ability in order to steal it. Meanwhile apparently you can steal a rasengan as we were shown in the Jiraiya versus pain fight. It seems obito had a different vision for IT than madara does which was evident by him initiating the plan prematurely and other hints that we received when madara showed up to the battlefield
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