2012-04-05, 00:35 | Link #1881 |
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I thought there was a scene where Yuno was digging the hole, in the beginning of episode 10? I was to bury Yuno 2. However, if you are referring to how the roof and walkway seemed to have broken down outside the room, Yuno could have broken it for whatever her reason was (to let in more light to that gloomy rooom?). While she was digging, the structure still remained, so something happened afterwards.
So loses her memory as soon as she finishes burying Yuno 2, and we now know that Murmur was the one who temporarily erased her memory. Could it be that at this point, Murmur 1 arrived in a sphere and created the whole in the roof and walkway?
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2012-04-05, 08:01 | Link #1883 |
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thundrakkon: there *is* that digging scene. In the tankobon version manga that "digging" scene is one of the color "bonus" pages. I don't think it was part of the original magazine run, but I've never gotten copies of the original magazines to confirm (or deny) that hypothesis. FWIW the digging scene isn't included in the scanlations a lot of people seem to have read, which were done off of the original magazine version.
It's just one of those "what if" ideas, though: I think you can make a case that he started out with one idea and then changed his mind, but at the same time it's quite apparent what his final story choice was. Probably enough said on this for now. |
2012-04-05, 16:10 | Link #1886 |
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You're wrong. Even if we go by your logic, survival games had to begin for Yuno 2 to have her diary.
On episode 1,you can see Yuno 1 crying over someone's corpse and uttering the words "Amano-kun",leading me to believe that she had the "Amano-kun" diary on the first world. Sackett made an explanation that made perfect sense until Episode 23 arrived revealing that Yuno 2 had the diary when she was killed. Which brings back my previous questions: 1) Why didn't Yuno 2 see a dead end sign if she was going to be killed by Yuno 1? (Through this could be explained by Yuno 1 doing something supernatural in order to kill her) 2) Did Yuno 1 take the "Amano-Kun" diary from Yuno 2? If so: a) Why is it still working after Yuno 2 died? If not: b) How did Yuno obtain it? Can Murmur just produce future diaries as she wishes? "Amano-Kun" diary is Yuno 1's first diary,she won the game before she started calling him Yukkii. Since Yuno 2 was just a Yuno in the past, it is safe to assume that she had the "Amano-Kun" diary too before she was killed. So,there are two ways that Yuno 1 (the Yuno we started everything with, before the time travel part was included) could have obtained the "Amano-Kun" diary: i. She could somehow keep the diary when she time leapt. ii. Murmur can make diaries. iii. She took it from her past self, through this would cause a plot hole in a sense that Yuno 2 was quite dead for her diary to work. And the "Yukkii" diary is the one Deus gave her at the start of the second world's survival game. I hope it makes more sense to you now.
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2012-04-05, 17:25 | Link #1887 | |
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This should explain the Yukki diary continuity. I assume that Yuno kept her first diary. For the missed death end I guess that Yuno being an anomaly wasn't noticed by the Yuno2 diary.
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The last few posts have been confusing concerning the timeline. I will try to piece together what I can understand so far, so please advise if anything is off.
1) Yuno 1 wins the game and becomes god of world 1. 2) [April 17, Year 0] Yuno 2, who calls Yuki as Amano-kun, kills her parents. 3) [May 10, Year 0] Yuno 2 falls in love with Yuki a few weeks later when she wrote that she will be Yuki's bride on what she wants to do for her future. 4) [May 17, Year 0] Yuno 2, in bunny costume, follows Yuki around to break up his "date". 5) [August 1, Year 0] Yuno 1 arrives and kills Yuno 2, while Yuno 2 asks "Amano-kun" to help her. 6) Yuno 1 initially calls Yuki as Amano-kun, then changes it to Yuki. 7) Murmur 1 arrives and allows Yuno 1 to take Yuno 2's Amano-kun phone. Hence, Yuno 1 has her Yuki diary and Yuno 2's Amano-kun diary. 8) [April 21, Year 1] The Mirai Nikki games begin. At no point did Yuno 2 ever call Yuki as Yuki. She has always called him Amano-kun. Hence, the time lines have been the same up to the point of Yuno 2's death. When I say the same, I mean the events and actions are the same, but they are still in an alternate universe.
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2012-04-05, 19:03 | Link #1889 |
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Are you saying I've screwed up the Yukki/Amano diaries and names? nothing easier
It's just that the Amano name doesn't ring any bell in my memories, except when Murmur leaked to Yukiteru Yuno's sin (Just remembered). So I assumed that Yuno didn't ever call him Amano-kun along the series. This is the problem to start guessing so late in a series. I forgot too many things.
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Who is spreading that rumor? It's the second time I've heard that this week.
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Amano-kun diary was taken by Murmur from Yuno 2 and given to Yuno 1, after Murmur probably did some magic to it. Murmur did some magic to it to allow to still function. It did not disappear since this was before the game began. Quote:
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You could even explain it more easily if you assume (yes, this is an assumption), that she simply took the diary before the games began and it wasn't a future diary yet. Deus did not know the real Yuno was dead so he turned the diary into a future diary like he did in the first world. Ta-daa! Two future diaries.
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I see what you mean. That is definitely a possibility, although at this point in time, unless the author comes out and states it, we really don't know which one is the correct one. In the grand scheme of things, it is not really that important. I wonder if anyone ever asked the author about it to clarify it? (amongst many other plot holes)
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2012-04-08, 03:06 | Link #1899 |
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That's the same as I said,KoiYuki,and yes,I think the Amano-kun one was from the first game too. Because in the second game, Yuno died 2,her diary should have stopped working. Then Murmur gave Yuno 1 the Yukkii diary. If Murmur hadn't given that to her and stated "quick,replace her before Deus notices", then it would be more likely that Yuno 2 was dead before the games began.
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