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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 07 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 26 | 9.22% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 9 | 3.19% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 3.90% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 16 | 5.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 11 | 3.90% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 14 | 4.96% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 9 | 3.19% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 8 | 2.84% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 11 | 3.90% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 167 | 59.22% | |
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2009-07-23, 14:20 | Link #182 |
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The poll should open.
As for the opinion expressed above about a true second season coming shortly after this one: in the spirit of those constantly repeating that "they never promised you/they don't owe you this or that" I will say, when did they ever promise such a thing. I am almost beyond the point of trying to intelligently criticize this decision---and I consider it as more of a "decision" than an "arc". This is what would be what is called "conceptual art"---it's supposed to be about some kind of idea without any of the usual aesthetic appeal. Take for example, "One and Three Chairs" by Joseph Kosuth Now, I am not a fan of this kind of art, mainly because it is just too easy. However, from another perspective, its ease of creation is supposed to be one of its merits, because it emphasizes the idea instead of traditional aesthetic appeal. Very well. I may not like it but I can accept it. Endless Eight, though, doesn't have this merit. The best comparison I can come up with would be, if the chair in the above work was made of solid gold, then painted over in a very clever way so it looked like an ordinary wooden chair. That would be Endless Eight. I think if this has taught me anything, it is that I will never again complain about original filler in any series ever again. It makes you realize, hey, were the Bounts that bad? Was Curry of Life that bad? I mean, it was curry, but of life...I mean, what more do you want? |
2009-07-23, 14:22 | Link #183 | |
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So, the remnant aside, that's what the three-year memory refers to: the regular turnaround of fandom. Of course they're also banking on a remnant that didn't forget and are using that remnant to bring some of the buzz back about their show, which they expect will get people to check out the first season to see what they missed. |
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2009-07-23, 14:24 | Link #184 |
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No, there's no point.
Until there's new episodes I fail to see the point of rating Endless Eight again. My current theory is that they're trying to kill off the popularity of the Haruhi franchise, since KyoAni probably wants to forget about it and go on to new projects, and that's fine. |
2009-07-23, 14:28 | Link #185 | |
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Edit: Also, I opened the poll now. Why not... |
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2009-07-23, 14:29 | Link #186 | |
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Although I'm sure I'll be enjoying it a hell of a lot more than I would otherwise. |
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2009-07-23, 14:30 | Link #187 |
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If they were trying to kill it, I don't think they'd be continually promoting all the things from this season that aren't Endless Eight. Character songs, the singles, a remix CD, and no doubt several new figures and other goodies. Trying to "kill" something involves a much more devious set of plans that are...well, pretty much the opposite of what Haruhi's getting.
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2009-07-23, 14:33 | Link #188 |
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I wonder how many people are like me. People who liked the original Haruhi without going all gaga over it, and who started watching S2 with a mild feeling of disappointment in the early 2 eps (particularly the K-Oned art style), and who simply don't watch any iterations (and don't plan to) except for the one ep which breaks the loop.
My guess is that KyoAni/Kadokawa think that we don't matter at all, since we don't buy DVDs... and they may be right. But is hungering the fanbase down to the bone, and POing lots of their paying fans in the process... Strange. But I'm not really angry. I'm giggling at the remaining "true believers" and don't care anymore. And hope that the DVD sales tank to record lows. |
2009-07-23, 14:35 | Link #189 | |
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I quite agree. I lot of supporters repeat time and again how much they enjoy watching the fandom "rage". But I'm starting enjoy watching the them say again and again that they are "loving every episode", and even more so when they try to defend it as innovative. |
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2009-07-23, 14:42 | Link #190 | ||
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I'm saying that if there's a new 14 episode DVD release and 8 of those episodes are E8, I don't think that many people will buy the DVD's.
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Best case scenario is most likely gonna be that they don't lose any extra income. But they still lose money because they have the additional expense of 5-6 E8 episodes which don't really pull their own weight.
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2009-07-23, 14:44 | Link #191 |
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well, mokuseimaru, you cannot deny that here we are talking about this act of masochism with eyes open, which means you can't say that you are not soiled by it!
People can say that it is rather unbecoming to get enjoyment out of something and having a 'us' vs 'them' mentality, when it's ultimately only entertainment XD I seriously have a bad case of déjà vu, as Myssa Rei does. It's like we're party like it's 2015, or 1996. @Mentar, or to paraphrase Jean Chrétien: "No, publicity is publicity. Some publicity is publicity and when you have good publicity, is when you've got publicity"
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2009-07-23, 14:53 | Link #193 | |
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This airing may not be enough to get people to buy DVDs of these episodes. But is it generating enough attention to get people to tune in for a second season? Time will tell... I think so. The question, then, is what are they selling? If current theories are to be believed, then perhaps they were never trying to sell DVDs of Endless Eight at all. |
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2009-07-23, 15:00 | Link #194 | ||
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Past that point you've lost everything. |
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2009-07-23, 15:00 | Link #195 | ||
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Then a three-year gap between Season 1 Haruhi and... some new episodes, is terrible... wouldn't you agree? Quote:
Then how is pi$$ing off your remnant - your hardcore fans - a lot of your novel readers who want Disappearance (in Haruhi's case) - with something like Endless Eight a good idea? The part of the fanbase you're counting on to create positive buzz for the show, and you are deliberately pi$$ing them off? There are exceptions to the rule of "all publicity is good publicity". One obvious exception, for example, is how a lot of bad word of mouth from initial movie goers during a huge opening week for a movie can cause following weeks to plummet in sales for that movie. People like seeing train wrecks, but in the modern internet age, genuinely good worthwhile content by its own merits = DVD sales, and train wrecks = a lot of free internet downloads out of people curious to see the train wreck but little actual sales. Here's an analogy for you... The popularity of the Haruhi Suzumiya anime is like a speeding locomotive gathering steam. KyoAni is Superman flying down to stop the locomotive. Endless Eight is the resulting train wreck - and like a train wreck, it brings everything to a halt. People may flock to see the train wreck for free, but they're not going to pay to ride on it... Last edited by Triple_R; 2009-07-23 at 15:19. |
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2009-07-23, 15:03 | Link #196 |
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Disapear,
This arc is an eyesore; This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. This arc. THIS ARC! So what you're saying is This is the Countdown of japanese animation? I can buy that. |
2009-07-23, 15:04 | Link #197 | |
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Which as I have mentioned before is like dumping money down the drain.
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2009-07-23, 15:05 | Link #198 | |
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Anyway, if 2ch actually is getting genuinely upset with this arc then DVD sales will drop somewhat, but what upsets 2ch and what upsets us here follow very different criteria. Otaku need to feel personally slighted as a group in some way before the DVD sales will ever drop substantially, and it's hard to tell yet if Haruhi has fallen out of "buy" status with them. In other words don't be surprised and RAEG if the DVD's consistently top the Oricon charts as they are released, because by all measurements and gauges that could be said to exist for Otaku (that I am aware of) it's still in 15,000+ category of DVD marketability at least. P.S: Note that Super Driver is selling at the regular level for a high profile moe show single. Let that be a sign. |
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2009-07-23, 15:10 | Link #199 | |||
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What people are so pissed off about is that they're being made to wait even longer, and they feel like they've been mislead to think that they'd get it sooner rather than later. But once you get over that anger, it's just a delay. They haven't "destroyed the novels" or "ruined our chances of seeing the rest of the novels animated". And when that happens, I don't think all the novel fans who have waited this long are going to seriously be like "I don't care anymore about Haruhi". They've waited three years already, what's a little bit longer? Quote:
I mean, disappointment is understandable, but let's be reasonable here. It doesn't have to make sense to us, though. If they want to burn money on something many around here feel is a waste of time, why not? |
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2009-07-23, 15:12 | Link #200 | |
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