2013-03-11, 23:53 | Link #4521 | |
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Oarai doesn't need a lesson in humility. They've learned it. They know they're not the best, they know they're weak, they know they're getting by on luck, desparate chances, and the improvisational skill of their commander. Kuromorimine, on the other hand, is so damned arrogant it makes me sick. Riding the high of their record of perfection, they can barely conceive of losing, and as we saw from the preview it makes them do stupid things. Like charging straight up a hill against a fortified position. If anyone needs a lesson in humility, it's them. Let them see that their cold-blooded, bloody-handed path of senshado is not only not the only way, but will fact lose to Miho's way of the tank. That is what is needed here.
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2013-03-12, 00:15 | Link #4522 | |
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I'll admit them winning is the conventional ending, but I don't think it is cliche. In a usual sports anime, there are only humans using the same equipment, so the Ten-Year Champ team must have some redeeming qualities in competence even if they are jerks and the newbie team is probably much less good than the champs, so it feels cliched when the author pulls a Deux ex Machina to let them win anyway. But this is Senshado and it allows absurd disparity in equipment, which also allows plenty of room to say that the old champs won more on equipment than real skill. Certainly in their demonstrated skill indices, Oarai's team is no worse than the average on the other teams. Heck, even Rabbit Team's failure to score a single hit so far is matched by most tanks on the show. So they hardly "deserve to lose" by having less skill, only in equipment, and in this example, the Machina they need to win is on stage. If anything, the whole Ep9 comeback is more cliche. The number of mistakes Pravda had to make to let them win is eye-boggering... Besides, since I don't think their school closing is an acceptable outcome to you either, if they lose there will be another cliche as the author effectively cops out and rules that the school is saved. Or perhaps you prefer a Bittersweet ending where they do lose, the school closes but they find happiness elsewhere (maybe Oarai transfers onto that very bare patch on Pravda's carrier where V/STOL Forgers take off and land - its dimensions is almost the perfect size)? I can accept a Bittersweet ending - if the opponent is right. If it is Pravda or Saunders or even St. Glorianna, well, umm, OK. But KMM? Please. Their philosophy sucks. Their XO is a Dog-kicker, the instructor another. Actually being much better technically than other teams might be a saving grace if you are enough of a cynic, but by the end of Ep 10, a strong impression is created that they are over-rated and have been getting by more on their equipment superiority than anything else. Do these guys deserve a win? I don't think so. For the Humility stuff I refer you to RandomWanderer's answer. |
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2013-03-12, 00:15 | Link #4523 | |
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As for Shiho? I consider her to be a separate issue. - Tak
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2013-03-12, 00:16 | Link #4524 | |
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2013-03-12, 00:44 | Link #4528 | |
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I just cannot stand her being a parent. - Tak
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2013-03-12, 01:06 | Link #4529 | |
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It seems to be the general point in Girls und Panzers is that this is a sport. The only team that seems to be holding it in the martial sense is Shiho's school style. And Given Maho's reation to Miho in the manga, one could assume Maho would rather play it as a sport but can't because of her family obligation. Thus her suggestion that Miho should find her own way (a suggestion that Miho seems to ignore for a few years until forced into the sport again by the current student council. It isn't clear why exactly. Probably because she still wants to drive tanks with her sister.)
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2013-03-12, 08:57 | Link #4532 | |
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A) and B) aren't mutually exclusive here, unless I'm missing something.
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2013-03-12, 10:00 | Link #4533 | ||
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[QUOTE=arkhangelsk;4586894]What happened to such considerations as profile, or the fact that the flatter trajectory means a greater "point-blank" distance, a larger allowable error in estimating the distance even outside of point blank, and less need to estimate&pull lead (both of which are relatively hard parts for gunnery)?[quote]
I guess we'll just disagree on this one, but for me if penetration and range are not an issue then I'll take a turret over a low profile, and certainly a turret over a flater trajectory but with a 20' traverse. Quote:
You seem to look at the onscreen evidence and conclude that it's not plausible, which is an understandable position, it's just not one I choose to take in order to enjoy my shows. Given that, I don't think we're ever going to agree on how to interpret anything not explicitly declared or shown on screen. *shrug* Quote:
I think that still supports my assertion that Katyusha's plan that hinged on demoralization due to the odds rather than skilled performance of her team was a valid one. It almost worked... twice. Thankfully for the Ooarai girls Miho was actually motivated enough to use her genius!
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2013-03-12, 10:02 | Link #4534 | |
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...still, can't wait to see how it ends!
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2013-03-12, 10:46 | Link #4535 | |
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- Tak
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2013-03-12, 12:05 | Link #4536 | |
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Oarai fights KMM down to the last tank and does lose, but having inflicted huge losses. Its an embarrasing win. When the news media interview the Oarai team and find out what they were fighting for there is a national outcry and the Goverment is forced by public demand and the demand of the other schools to continue funding Oarai. Oarai doesn't do the impossible and win, but they survive. They get to come back in season two. Shiho gets to endure being the winner, but is all but ignored by the media as they rush to cover the Oarai girls and the other heads of schools give her just prefunctory notice to give her the trophy before running off to lobby the goverment to keep Oarai in the system. Spoiler:
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2013-03-12, 12:19 | Link #4538 | |
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Shiho attempts to protest and Ami reminds her that she too has a obvious conflict of interest since BOTH captains are her daughters and the Nishizumi school is going to win the final no matter what. Mind you this event is on live TV. Shiho is suddenly hit with the taint that she was trying to rig the event by putting daughters in two schools! If she tells the truth she is as humiliated as if she had been trying to rig the match. |
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2013-03-12, 12:27 | Link #4539 | |
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Up to this point, I don't think Maho would do that. Personally, I don't believe she did anything wrong throughout the show. Nor did she look down on Miho like Erika did. In fact, she was supporting her on a number of occasions. - Tak
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2013-03-12, 12:29 | Link #4540 | |
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I like to think there are international games where people all use the same tanks, or where firepower and/or armour is restricted. Any number of interesting rules. After all, there are many types of ball games in the world.
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