2012-07-16, 09:30 | Link #104 |
WHERE'S...MY...COW????
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Indeed, it's a hilarious story and my reactions were rather as confused as Kirito seemed to be. Curious what the actual ending will end up being since the author seems to be rewriting things now. Hopefully it won't be a Bad End for Kirito, Asuna, and co.
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So to be more specific, Kirito who fit under the Canon Sue category. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CanonSue Do note, that to be considered a Gary Stu, it is NOT required to have a overwhelming majority of the characteristics listed (those are listed as COMMON, not required for a reason). Most of the time, they fit in certain categories due to their descriptions. In this case, Kirito would fit into the 'Mary Sue as Center of Attention' term in Tvtropes. It is also definitely not required for the character to fulfill some of the worst aspect of mary sues. Such having everything handed to them or being loved by everyone. You guys keep on only associating Mary Sues with only these blatant traits. And claim because Kirito doesn't fit these cases, that's evidence enough that he isn't one. Spoiler:
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I seriously see no more reason to continue to argue if you guys still won't research what being a Gary Stu/Canon Sue/Mary Sue is really about. I have a feeling you guys won't change your opinion no matter what (reasons ranging from pride to Kirito being your favorite character) I bet when you people take this litmus test www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm and see Kirito's high score (assuming you are doing this 'objectively'), you guys will claim that the test is inaccurate or that every 'good' character would fit. |
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2012-07-16, 11:23 | Link #108 | ||||
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Besides, the creators took it for Morphius from The Matrix and even though he got a high score, they insist he still isn't one. I really think you should give it up and stay out of Kirito's thread if you hate him this much: you're kinda asking for people to jump on you...and to me, it's no different than trolling.
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2012-07-16, 11:49 | Link #109 | ||||||
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Seriously, all of your so-called 'argument questions' are self-evident and something you should have figured out for yourself from your research. Quote:
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Again you guys demonstrated you really didn't do any research or really think about what I posted, but just skim the lines. I see now its a waste of time to continue to argue when you guys act like this. Quote:
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2012-07-16, 13:08 | Link #111 | ||||
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I am not attacking you as a person. I am attacking your behaviour. My understanding of your point, in my first statement, which you have quoted partially, was that characters hated Kirito for petty reasons. I was attempting to ironically point out that you appeared to be falling into the same pattern you accused the author of writing (i.e. dislike due to petty reasons). The fact that you read it as a personal attack... well. That's hardly my fault. There's a Malaysian saying: Siapa makan cili, dialah rasa pedasnya. Whoever eats the chillies feels the heat. As for the other two statements you quoted? You really think that's an attack on you? Those are my observations of you, gleaned from your own behaviour. You have stated that your opinions are based on those of your peers, and have been spending the last several days attempting to lecture us all (and rather badly, I might add, from a technical standpoint - your grammar, spelling and punctuation are fine for perhaps Form One, but need significant polish. The level of writing you've shown would have gotten your papers marked down and tossed out at my Uni.) I'll concede that I ought to have clarified on one point - you can argue, you just can't argue this opinion well, as you lack the technical skill to do so, and again, as from what I've seen, it's because this doesn't seem to really be an opinion you came to, but the opinions of others, which you agreed upon, and decided to come here and evangelise. As a result, my observations of your patterns of posting are that when countered, and when others disagree with you, you become flustered and dig in your heels even further, and continuously repeat the same course of attack, even though you lack the ability to express yourself clearly (which can be seen in a comparison of your posts vs my posts), and whilst you appeared to be somewhat lacking in your knowledge of the source material (which is an interpretation strongly supported by how on your earlier posts, you were relying on broad, sweeping statements, instead of specific examples, though you seem to have crammed for the more recent posts). Also, you really should have quoted that last bit in full. Nevermind, I'll do it for you: Quote:
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Let me clarify in simple English: If you only post in this one thread, and only about the same damn thing, in the abrasive, condescending, childish manner you are currently displaying, and make no effort to discuss the anime in any other threads, then yes, people will think you are a troll, because you are acting like a troll.
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2012-07-16, 13:33 | Link #112 |
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Look, guys, can't we all agree to have our own opinions on what constitutes a Mary Sue, whether Kirito is one, and whether it's a bad thing? And let the whole matter drop? As in, shut the fuck up about it instead of trying to get the last word?
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I mean what's your goal? Trying to get everyone who likes Kirito to change their mind and go "You're right. He's a Sue and I hate him now!" .......yeah, I don't see that happening.... Time to change the subject!! What do you guys think of Kirito's seiyuu? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ency...e.php?id=93780 Looks like he's still a newbie (aw he is two years younger than me!). I'm very fond of his voice and think he's doing a stellar job here.
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2012-07-16, 13:44 | Link #114 |
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Jedi blocks blaster bolt in the real world. Hence Jedi is a Sue/Stu. Oh wait, Sith kills Jedi who blocks blaster bolts. Sith so OP he must be Stu!
EDIT: His voice's pretty good, though we'll know better when he's required to scream or cry in certain situations. I literally fell in love with Saber when she screams in agony in Fate/Zero muahahahahahahahaha.
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Alright, here we go again.
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This can happen with guys too. It's generally rarer though. Kirito does not do any like this. He is a male shounen protagonist in a male-targeted shounen story, that was never anything else. He is the main character in that, if he isn't the POV character, then whoever is the POV character is someone thatll run into him by the end of the page. So he doesn't hurt the story by his arrival, in my mind. Not saying main characters can't exhibit Mary Sue traits, but it ain't what the term was intended for. Spoiler for Volumes 1-6:
...Yes. They are trapped in a gameworld by a GM. This is the premise of the story. You knew this going in. Him having moderator powers, when him having moderator powers is the only reason the story happened in the first place is not hax, it isn't cheating, storywise it is in fact integral to the plot THE most integral element of the plot I would say. His moderators powers are and always have been the obstacle that always needed to be overcome from the getgo. I'm not sure how I can break this down more simply for you. Quote:
Your last comment is just priceless. So, you don't have to win the majority of the time. If you lose unfairly that's a Gary Stu trait, if you win unfairly that's a Gary Stu trait as well. Of you course if you do keep winning fairly then obviously you are Gary Stu as well. Seems like being a fighting character and escaping the monicer of Gary Stu is pretty hard. Quote:
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