Shakugan no SHANA Anime Season 1 Discussion

[Owaranai Destiny]

Hmm...Considering that this can be called the first arc, I wonder what the second arc's main theme would be...Will they delve more into the world of the Guze this time rather than the real world?

That being said, it seems that episode 14 would be a suitable 'change of things' for a switch in 'arcs', considering that it might seem to be a filler episode.

[Enternal]

Originally Posted by FeelLicks

Was just looking through AnimeNewsNetwork and I noticed a couple of interesting facts (to me at least).

1. Shana's voice actress is Rie Kugimiya who also was Alphonse Elric in FMA and Kurosaki Karin in Bleach.
2. Alastor's voice actor is Masashi Ebara who also was Hoenheim Elric in FMA.
3. Kazumi Yoshida's voice actress is Ayako Kawasumi who did tons of show (Hikari in This Ugly and Beautiful World for example) and is also in the much anticipated show Fate/Stay Night as Saber.

Wow, interesting. Shana's voice was done by a person who also did Alphonse in Full Metal Alchemist? That is pretty interesting. It's just like it was a woman who did Ashes voice in Pokemon. Anyway the second might be more about the tomogara world since the first so far was all about her interation with the world. And from what was seen from the preview from episode 13, it seems like we are going to know more about Shana and her past and stuff like that.

[TougeSil80]

Spoiler for Ep.13:

Finally watched ep 13, the villians in this show is weak. I was expecting the twins putting up a better fight than this. The Margery vs Body guard guy fight was pretty good tho. I thought Yuuji was going to get luck at the end, but nope, just a melon bread. ^_^

[Apekatt]

This show is only getting better and better! The fight between Margery and the dude with the sun glasses was entertainging to watch. (Margery looks pretty stupid when she's "transformed" though. Fear the purple Wolf-bear of a thousand spells. >_>)
I lol'd in the end of the episode when Yuji got his prize.
Next episode looks promising. A girl with purple hair and a maid-outfit, finally some fanserivice for us who ain't lolicons yet!

[Owaranai Destiny]

Just more thoughts on episode 13...

I suddenly sympathise with the incest-loving Tiriel. Although her way of displaying her affection for her brother was... , I won't discount the fact that her love was very real, and she really did give everything to fulfill her brother's wishes to the extent of losing her life.

Spoiler:

On the DBZish power-up comments...It seems that way probably because of the fact that Shana did not have her sword with her, and yet she could summon flames and even Blutsauger to her somehow. This didn't really show that DBZish power up, but more of the fact that Shana was stronger than we expected her to be due to several possible reasons; For example, her better handling of Alastor's powers vested in her (evidence from the flaming wings.) It's just that we did not know how much she could manage to control, resulting in most of us believing it to be a DBZish power up. Like I said, there was no screaming and no crappy dialogue between enemies. Just a quick recovery and surprise attack on the unsuspecting twins. Simple as that.

First time Yuji works with Marjorie...and the first time where I see the latter in a new light, probably because of the absence of vengeance in her now, as well as two particular humans.

[Trax]

Spoiler for ep13:

Well she loved her brother, but boy was he stupid. Nietono no shana, nietono no shana, what a simple minded idiot. He was just a kid obsessed with obtaining a new toy. Perhaps that has something to do with how the sibling's relationship turned out, the sister probably had to take care of him because of his lack of braincells. Shame that the villains don't seem to last long after all, but at least there's one that might actually be back in a future episode. And Margery seems to have found another reason to fight other than revenge.

[FeelLicks]

Another thing I'd like to add is that before Yuuji's only usefulness it seems, was to be an adrenaline boost for Shana. In ep 13 we find out Yuuji has another "skill" that proves useful. (Some extremely smart ppl may have figured it out in previous eps when he "sensed" Shana on the roof but I guess most of us figured it out this ep =] )

[Bahamut]

...yeah...i like it how they didnt emphasise yuji's "tracking" abilities in the previous eps like you said sensing shana on the roof or even finding the real rammie......they made it flow naturally with the show so i didnt really think about it until i saw this ep...good work i must say...

...my only concern is what will Marjorie do with that weapon the twins left behind...because i hope she keeps it or atleast give to her henchmans or something...i always want to see the characters keeping anything that may be useful...like for example: dual-wielding shana? eh? ...exactly...

[AxE_EfFeCt]

Well that sword is a bit too big for dual weilding I would say .Anyway I want to see more development for Yuji and he should get some better abilities. That would be real fun. And yes its about time we finally get to see something related to Shana's past.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

That being said, it seems that episode 14 would be a suitable 'change of things' for a switch in 'arcs', considering that it might seem to be a filler episode.

Spoiler:

I don't see how an episode revealing her past can be considered a filler.

[Alpha123]

Originally Posted by Trax

Spoiler for ep13:

Shame that the villains don't seem to last long after all, but at least there's one that might actually be back in a future episode.

Spoiler:

I think we can all pretty much agree on the fact that Sydonay going to be back, probably with some backup as well. Now that he knows that Yuji has Reiji Maigo inside of him, I don't think that he’s just going to let him get out of his grasp that easily.

I was just wondering, were the reasons why the twins were so hell bent on getting the Nietono no Shana explained in the novel?

Also, what's up with Sydonay? I got the impression that he is like a mercenary tomogara that was just hired by the twins or something. If they explain his background/motives in the novel, could someone enlightening this for me?

One last thing that has been eating at me, how can Shana bleed if she is already dead? When Shana sliced up Yuji in episode 1 there was no blood or anything, yet when Shana got injured by Blutsauger and the her own sword blood was drawn.

[LytHka]

Originally Posted by Alpha123

[spoiler]One last thing that has been eating at me, how can Shana bleed if she is already dead? When Shana sliced up Yuji in episode 1 there was no blood or anything, yet when Shana got injured by Blutsauger and the her own sword blood was drawn.

...
Yuuji is a Torch, that's why he's "hollow." Torches are just like that, I guess. Shana is *not* a torch and most likely not dead. Marjorie Daw's scene when she was offered revenge by Marcosius seemed like she was on the brink of dying though.

[PhoenixIce]

Originally Posted by Alpha123

One last thing that has been eating at me, how can Shana bleed if she is already dead? When Shana sliced up Yuji in episode 1 there was no blood or anything, yet when Shana got injured by Blutsauger and the her own sword blood was drawn.

i dont remember them saying she was dead. They said that torches are dead people and that flame haze are "like" torches in a way, but not necessarily the same.

I think that ep 13 was...well...okay i suppose, but not wat i expected. I expected more of a fight from the twins...and Sydonay...he will certainly be back...who knows when tho...hopefully when he does, he comes back with stronger guys, and i hope they at least put up a better fight than the one with the twins.

[Alpha123]

Originally Posted by LytHka

Shana is *not* a torch and most likely not dead.

I guess I just figured she was a torch after she told Yuji that she was basically the same as a torch (at the end of episode 2). Oh well, this doesn’t really take away from the story or anything, so I guess it just a trivial matter.

Looking forward to episode 14 though, seems like we get to look at how Shana became a Flame Haze and her background, can't wait.

[Trax]

Torches aren't really dead either though, they're a residue until they simply cease to exist. Sort of a death, but not quite, especially since nobody will remember them. It's interesting to think about, what will someone's memory look like after someone they knew has ceased to exist? Perhaps similar to Sakura's memories of Syaoran in Tsubasa Chronicle, such as talking to an empty chair where that person used to sit when that memory took place? Or will everyone's past simply be rewritten as if that person was never born to begin with? As for Yuuji not bleeding, I'm not so sure if that's also the case when he's dealing with ordinary people. If it is, he might be able to do weird things like walk around carrying his his head in his arms. That would really freak people out, wouldn't it. :P

Originally Posted by Alpha123

Spoiler:

I think we can all pretty much agree on the fact that Sydonay going to be back, probably with some backup as well. Now that he knows that Yuji has Reiji Maigo inside of him, I don't think that he’s just going to let him get out of his grasp that easily.

Ah almost forgot about that, that will give him even more reason to make a future appearance.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Spoiler:

I don't see how an episode revealing her past can be considered a filler.

Okay, wrong choice of words. Maybe 'filler' wasn't appropriate in this case.

Hmm...I suppose the idea that Shana was "dead" came from the part where she said that Torches and Flame Hazes were similar, I suppose. The similarities are lost on me, though...

[PhoenixIce]

Well, there are similarities between the 2, they can both move during a futetzu, they both arent "known" in society (altho Yuji is an exception cuz he has the Lost Midnight inside him), no one really knows Shana as Shana (except for Yuji and Alastor and ne1 else besides the everyday human), everyone knows her as Hirai as she has "barged" into her existance.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

Okay, wrong choice of words. Maybe 'filler' wasn't appropriate in this case.

Hmm...I suppose the idea that Shana was "dead" came from the part where she said that Torches and Flame Hazes were similar, I suppose. The similarities are lost on me, though...

The similarity Shana is talking about is that Yuuji is just a Torch and Shana is just a Flame Haze, neither of them will ever get to have friends, both of them are easily forgotten, etc. (remember that at the time Shana didn't know that Yuuji had the reiji Maigo in him and that she'd be spending an extended amount of time interacting with hiim and other people)

[zalas]

Originally Posted by Trax

Spoiler for ep13:

Well she loved her brother, but boy was he stupid. Nietono no shana, nietono no shana, what a simple minded idiot. He was just a kid obsessed with obtaining a new toy. Perhaps that has something to do with how the sibling's relationship turned out, the sister probably had to take care of him because of his lack of braincells. Shame that the villains don't seem to last long after all, but at least there's one that might actually be back in a future episode. And Margery seems to have found another reason to fight other than revenge.

Spoiler:

If you take a look at their true names, you'll figure it out. Aizen refers to Ragaraja, a Buddhist deity representing desire and passion. Tyreal's true name is Aizenta (ta being the kanji for others), while Sorato's true name is Aizenji (ji being the kanji for self). Thus, you can see that Sorato has selfish desires, while Tyreal cares the utmost for someone other than herself, e.g. Sorato.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Originally Posted by zalas

Spoiler:

If you take a look at their true names, you'll figure it out. Aizen refers to Ragaraja, a Buddhist deity representing desire and passion. Tyreal's true name is Aizenta (ta being the kanji for others), while Sorato's true name is Aizenji (ji being the kanji for self). Thus, you can see that Sorato has selfish desires, while Tyreal cares the utmost for someone other than herself, e.g. Sorato.

And so all those Buddhist reference comes into play, as do references from other mythology perhaps....

Spoiler:

The green haired girl is apparently called Hecate, the Greek Goddess of Death, while Sydonay is said to be an alias of the demon Asmodeus. Alastor is said to be a demon of some sort as well.

@ PhoenixIce and Shinji103: Thanks for the help on clarifying my doubts. Very much appreciated.