Ore no Imouto - Light Novel & Manga Discussion Thread

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Soverence

For a Kirino end though this is nearly perfect, all the signs basically say this is a Kirino end without all the social issue that would surround a actual incestuous relationship between the two.

That actually only makes it more of a cop-out. Instead of giving us a definitive ending, the author opted to leave it like this to avoid having to address the social issues. So after all the addressing problems that this series went through, the author cheapskates on us.

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

Spoiler:

I guess I am fine with the ending. Somewhat disappointed that the author didnt seem to have dealt with the whole parents issue/"dark side of blood sibling relationship".

Sad that Ayase got rejected. Her idea of marrying oniisan and getting kirino as a sister is so cute /awww.

Really? I feel that it's exactly the opposite, and that from pretty much the start the novel was working on this type of environment

Spoiler:

Basically no worries, no problems, dots of comedy and nothing to pronounced; I feel that the author would have gone with this type of ending regardless of who Kyosuke would have chosen

[seangel92]

Spoiler for :

Where says that volume 12 end with Kyosuke kissing Kirino?

I need to know it.

[ID555]

Originally Posted by SigUp

But seeing this...

Spoiler for Reply to Spoiler:

I really think that Manami had ulterior motives, beyond just enforcing morale values, when she convinced Kyousuke to give up his ambitions and caused that rift between him and Kirino. If she only wanted to enforce a certain style of living and morales, she (in my eyes) wouldn't have resorted to violence, facing a Kirino-taunt.

Ouch. It's really weird that in this light-hearted novel, there's actually a character that's the closest thing to a two-faced villain....

Then again the ending is weird.

So what's the conclusion? Can I be happy for Kirino shippers or is the ending not even good enough for that?

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by ID555

So what's the conclusion? Can I be happy for Kirino shippers or is the ending not even good enough for that?

Assuming the spoilers we're going off of are accurate, the ending is only good enough for the Kirino shippers if they use their imaginations and come up with a get-together ending themselves.

The only other possibility is the 10-year-after novel thing that comes with season 2 volume 1.

[Phantom]

Unlike most people here, I have really not shipped any character with someone else. I just wanted the siblings back together in a sibling-ly way. It seems that my wish was somewhat granted after looking at the Spoilers.

[ID555]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Assuming the spoilers we're going off of are accurate, the ending is only good enough for the Kirino shippers if they use their imaginations and come up with a get-together ending themselves.

The only other possibility is the 10-year-after novel thing that comes with season 2 volume 1.

Yikes. Thanks.

[Flying Dagger]

Originally Posted by Okashira

Really? I feel that it's exactly the opposite, and that from pretty much the start the novel was working on this type of environment

Spoiler:

Basically no worries, no problems, dots of comedy and nothing to pronounced; I feel that the author would have gone with this type of ending regardless of who Kyosuke would have chosen

Spoiler:

There can still be comedy, like Kirino and Kyousuke trying to hide the relationship from their parents or use the dinner table as a battlefield for quarrels.

it is also the one big issue which is on top of everyone's mind when they think about a Kirino end. Sure, the two of them love each other more than siblings, and v12 "confirmed" that. But they still need to overcome all sorts of social pressure by being together.

[Soverence]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

That actually only makes it more of a cop-out. Instead of giving us a definitive ending, the author opted to leave it like this to avoid having to address the social issues. So after all the addressing problems that this series went through, the author cheapskates on us.

This series was never really about the social issues and all that though and for the most part Manami was meant to represent all of society, she basically shared the view that the average person in society would have had with the relationship. Them confronting Manami was basically the same as they confronting society without actually doing it since if they actually had to deal with society their futures would be ruined (since societies now a days are basically "messed up once? go die in a hole your replaceable").

Also first and foremost, I have always seen this series as a comedy more than anything else, the good drama the series had as well was a bonus on top of the comedy that it brought. Until like volume 11 this series was not very serious at all, it was afterwards the drama overtook the comedy so we basically have 10 volumes of mainly comedy and 2 of mainly drama.

[Mystic_Vegetto]

Originally Posted by Soverence

This series was never really about the social issues and all that though and for the most part Manami was meant to represent all of society, she basically shared the view that the average person in society would have had with the relationship. Them confronting Manami was basically the same as they confronting society without actually doing it since if they actually had to deal with society their futures would be ruined (since societies now a days are basically "messed up once? go die in a hole your replaceable").

Also first and foremost, I have always seen this series as a comedy more than anything else, the good drama the series had as well was a bonus on top of the comedy that it brought. Until like volume 11 this series was not very serious at all, it was afterwards the drama overtook the comedy so we basically have 10 volumes of mainly comedy and 2 of mainly drama.

The author has said before that he always intended the series to be a Comedy rather than anything serious.

Yaraon has confirmed the Ending relentlessflame posted earlier...

Spoiler:

Kyousuke does indeed kiss Kirino at the very end of the novel.

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-16689.html

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Soverence

This series was never really about the social issues and all that though and for the most part Manami was meant to represent all of society, she basically shared the view that the average person in society would have had with the relationship. Them confronting Manami was basically the same as they confronting society without actually doing it since if they actually had to deal with society their futures would be ruined (since societies now a days are basically "messed up once? go die in a hole your replaceable").

Which still leaves us with a cop-out; they drop the sibling lovers thing later, only to pick it back up, or do they? Just a blank slate instead of giving us anything definitive and how they'd handle their relationship in actual society.

Also first and foremost, I have always seen this series as a comedy more than anything else, the good drama the series had as well was a bonus on top of the comedy that it brought. Until like volume 11 this series was not very serious at all, it was afterwards the drama overtook the comedy so we basically have 10 volumes of mainly comedy and 2 of mainly drama.

I'd argue that the drama was at least every bit as important as the comedy since the beginning, from the sibling cold war going on between Kyousuke and Kirino, to handling things like Ayase finding out about Kirino's otaku-ness and the drama/angst that resulted.

Originally Posted by Mystic_Vegetto

The author has said before that he always intended the series to be a Comedy rather than anything serious.

The end result turned out different from what he wanted, then. (As I said, the comedy is strong, but the drama is at least just as strong)

[sleepingleo]

Manami is not the only "society" factor. The author "conveniently forgot" to include their parents input here.

People tend to forget, Kyousuke and Kirino are not the only one that will face scorn, their parents also will.

In a "reality inspired environment" just like this book, I just cannot buy the idea of the incest ending. That 10 years short must (or should) clarify that in the end the siblings ARE siblings, not lovers.

[seangel92]

Originally Posted by Mystic_Vegetto

The author has said before that he always intended the series to be a Comedy rather than anything serious.

Yaraon has confirmed the Ending relentlessflame posted earlier...

Spoiler:

Kyousuke does indeed kiss Kirino at the very end of the novel.

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-16689.html

Spoiler for we:

It was the wedding kiss, wasn't it?

[tommythecat]

I hope the anime goes a different route. Because there will be hell to pay with an open ending there I'm sure and I feel like the incest end, while makes some sense thematically, is not the best way for this whole series to end on.

I don't want to say I hate how it turned out because I want to read every translated word before I can make that call but it all seems so ambiguous and purposely misleading(he likes doing this remember) even if you infer they are still together.

[Mystic_Vegetto]

Originally Posted by seangel92

Spoiler for we:

It was the wedding kiss, wasn't it?

Spoiler:

No. The wedding kiss happened earlier. This was after the meetup at the very end.

@tommythecat There's always that possibility. I've said before that I would prefer the novels to have 1 Ending and the Anime to feature another.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by sleepingleo

That 10 years short must (or should) clarify that in the end the siblings ARE siblings, not lovers.

Yeah, from the sounds of the spoilers, the 10-year epilogue is pretty much the only thing that can salvage this series for me now. And before anyone says "Hey, everything up to the ending was still good!", sorry but the story includes the ending. If the ending is awful, it tarnishes the story as a whole. Because it'd mean all that buildup, especially Kuroneko's Destiny Record that seemed like it was supposed to be a giant foreshadowing, would just be wasted and tossed in the trash.

[seangel92]

Originally Posted by Mystic_Vegetto

Spoiler:

No. The wedding kiss happened earlier. This was after the meetup at the very end.

@tommythecat There's always that possibility. I've said before that I would prefer the novels to have 1 Ending and the Anime to feature another.

Spoiler for we:

I think that the windows look like church windows.
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[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by GDB

Yeah, from the sounds of the spoilers, the 10-year epilogue is pretty much the only thing that can salvage this series for me now. And before anyone says "Hey, everything up to the ending was still good!", sorry but the story includes the ending. If the ending is awful, it tarnishes the story as a whole. Because it'd mean all that buildup, especially Kuroneko's Destiny Record that seemed like it was supposed to be a giant foreshadowing, would just be wasted and tossed in the trash.

I think Kuroneko's ''ideal world'' is if Kirino accepts her as being Kyousuke's girlfriend,but after him telling her that he loves Kirino she got angry and tore it up although she knew this would happen and she accepted it with the slightest of problems,anyway I dont know what exactly has been said so I think we can wait for texts and then we can get a clearer view.

[tommythecat]

Here is my rendition of the forthcoming 10 year skip novel

"So this is what happened all those years ago...

Now I'm together with (whomever) it was a bumpy ride wasn't it guys? I'm glad we can all be friends again~!"

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by seangel92

Spoiler for we:

I think that the windows look like church windows.

Spoilers

Spoiler for Volume 12

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Originally Posted by GDB

Yeah, from the sounds of the spoilers, the 10-year epilogue is pretty much the only thing that can salvage this series for me now. And before anyone says "Hey, everything up to the ending was still good!", sorry but the story includes the ending. If the ending is awful, it tarnishes the story as a whole. Because it'd mean all that buildup, especially Kuroneko's Destiny Record that seemed like it was supposed to be a giant foreshadowing, would just be wasted and tossed in the trash.

The Destiny Record showed Kyousuke and Kirino being happy together with her (an upgrade from being happy just Kirino and Kyousuke), and you could say that this is what actually happened in the end... but it wasn't exactly the form she thought it would be. In other words, though she was originally going to let go of her feelings for Kirino's sake, and claimed all along that she was okay with Kirino's feelings, in the end that didn't make actually accepting the truth as easy as it seemed (obviously). The Destiny Record came true... but not exactly in the way she hoped.

(In the end, though, if you rely entirely on the logic that "the Destiny's Record should mean what Kuroneko hoped it meant", then there was no other route for the story to follow and the story is extremely telegraphed.)