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It's not really a question of who's more popular, it's more like how much more popular is Sheryl than Ranka.
Even 2ch which I'm positive most people at the start of the series would've thought Ranka would be more popular on supports Sheryl more by far. 800+ votes to 500 in a poll and the Ranka hate threads are far more numerous than Sheryl's. |
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I agree. I think the thing with Alto having Sheryl's ear-ring makes a 3-way "telepathic" bond between the main characters (the other two having v-type infection), or that is how i read the intent anyway after rewatching. I doubt if they will change this for the movie. I definitely think they will work hard on more development for Ranka.
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2010-09-27, 09:47 | Link #2144 |
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Ranka and Sheryl both have the V-type power. The Fold Quartz ear-ring links to any v-type, it's not Sheryl-specific (why would it be?). Look at Ep 7 where Alto has the first ear-ring and hears BOTH girls singing (he specifically mentions the ep 7 event in a later ep - the balcony singing scene). And note the ep 25 scene where all 3 seem to be floating in space. That scene was BS but it corroborates a 3 way link.
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Though the point still stands that Alto cannot connect with Ranka without help from Sheryl's earring. |
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Alto only has each ear-ring for about an episode each, but both times he connects with both girls, not just Sheryl (culminating in the mystical space scene) which I think gives us an insight into the intent of the producers. We could argue that it was poorly carried out though. Quote:
Also, Alto accepting a female earring is probably meant to be symbolic of him coming to terms with his kobuki heritage (he never wore the first one, just hung it up, but wore the second one in the finale). It probably just made more story-sense to have the earrings originally with the mature one of the risen / rising pop stars ( a successful pop star seems more likely to have rare jewelry than a waitress) though Sheryl is likely to hold it over Alto and Ranka that it was hers Last edited by user112168; 2010-09-27 at 15:25. |
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Specifically during these lines -"sugiru tsukihi wa nani wo tamesu no kedakai mama de ai wa mugen dato kuchidzukete". those are the lines where only Sheryl's voice is heard, then you start to hear Ranka's voice on the next line -"tsuyoku tsuyoku itainda kimi ga kimi ga suki nanda" Quote:
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On that note it would also be very insensitive for either Ranka or Alto to expect Sheryl to let Alto keep the earring (which is the only thing she has left of her family) so that he can hear Ranka. Last edited by wisteria233; 2010-09-27 at 19:13. |
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But this still doesn't impact on Alto's ep 15 (17:45sec) assertation that he heard them both during ep 7, his words, not mine. I reiterate - it was at Sheryl's farewell concert, singing a Sheryl song. It makes no music sense to have the guest singer start off a duet first, and gives us no clues as to who he will pick in the end. Quote:
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You mean besides their mutual romantic love for each other?
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Did he need to live with her and have romantic candlelight dinners only to show his pity? Did he need to make a quasi-confession before the final battle? Did he need to make love to her that other night? Funny how he spent most of his time in the last episodes with Sheryl, while barely speaking to Ranka, even before Ranka shipped herself out of the relationship. Of course in the mind of Ranka-shippers that is the awesomest set-up for true romance.
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What happened, did I roughtalk him and run him off?
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It's probably no coincidence that Alto's ep 23 Ranka love confession is followed by him saying to Sheryl in ep 24 "You can't fly alone". He made his decision because Ranka left, there was no one left to hurt by choosing the other girl. Quote:
He made a much more overt confession of Ranka feelings in ep 23, why do you dismiss that as irrelevant and then say we must accept his quasi-confession from ep 24 ? Ranka got a mention in the ep 24 "sheryl confession" where Sheryl say's "rescue Ranka" and "you almost never find a woman as good as me". Note Alto didn't make a move towards Sheryl until he thought Ranka was permanently out of the picture. Does this make her the consolation prize? Personally I think he could never make a decision between the two girls. In ep 23 Alto says he had "pretended not to notice a lot of things" throughout the series. He went with one of the girls as soon as the other one was out of the scene. Quote:
I had to go out then rewatched some eps for the relvant quotes when i got back. The earlier post i deleted because I wasn't happy with my wording. After deleting I noticed you had already replied to it. Last edited by user112168; 2010-09-28 at 05:44. |
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And Sheryl came in late and only heard the last part of his conversation with Klan, which made her believe, wrongly, that he was going on about his love of Ranka. Quote:
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Not to mention that he really didn't have much time to choose, anyway. Until the time of the Vajra invasion of Frontier, Sheryl had to deal with having gotten the news of her imminent demise and was trying to push Alto away, to spare him the pain of seeing her die. The episodes of the fight on Frontier didn't have many romantic moments ( and all of those were uppers for Sheryl and downers for Ranka ) and exactly afterwards Ranka left on her own accord. So it is not as if Alto was "waiting" for Ranka to leave, so he'd get a "consolation price". That's a ridiculous argument. You deleted your post before mine and after mine, before re-opening the latter. That didn't really look like staying around to debate.
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The second deleted post was a scrapped draft reply I started at 4:14 just after I saw your post. I decided to take a bit longer working on a reply, hence the deletion. I'll get on to the main points a little later. |
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Something to also remember is that Alto would have been gungho to kill Ranka For The Motherland (obligatory reference) if Sheryl never gave him the earring and had him promise to save Ranka. Let's also remember that Alto doesn't give Ranka any fuel for her to believe that she still has a chance with him (unless you count saving her, which could be countered with you don't have to be in love with someone to save their life). We also don't hear Alto's thoughts on the matter of the love triangle in the last episodes, Alto and Sheryl still live together, Ranka now has two older overprotective older brothers who probably won't be so happy about Ranka chasing after Alto who seems to already be in a relationship with Sheryl. Let us not also forget that Ranka gave up on Alto in episode 21, and Alto had a chance to chase after Ranka and yet he chose not to. Let's also not forget the fact that while Sheryl is much closer to Alto than Ranka, and Frontier knows and believes that Sheryl is in a relationship with Alto. Also if Ranka decided to chase after Alto (whom Frontier believes is in a relationship with Sheryl) she'll risk looking like a home wrecker. It doesn't help that the citizens of Frontier believe that Ranka abandoned them, and Sheryl took Ranka's place even though she wasn't from Frontier. Can Ranka afford to pubically chase after Alto when she still wants a singing career, and will her brothers stand for her tarnishing her own reputation? Last edited by wisteria233; 2010-09-28 at 09:14. |
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Brera also senses fold waves and was able to communicate with Ranka in the finale the same way, no V-type infection needed, he just had fold quartz - 2 types - one in his harmonica, and secondly he was part of Grace's zero-time network she build based on fold-quartz - so Brera had to have a fold-quartz implant for this. It is shown to confer the same abilities on Brera as Alto gets while having the earring(s). Quote:
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Grace's zero-time network she built, which included Brera, gave instant two-way communication using fold-quartz implants. No need for a v-type infection. Macross compendium on fold quartz says it's a fold-wave emitter : http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Fold_Quartz So, the 2-way nature of fold wave communications is Canon, not something they pulled out of a hat at the last minute. The ep 25 3-way conversation is foreshadowed by Brera and Ranka earlier in ep 25, and Sheryl and Ranka in ep 7. Maybe Alto couldn't join in the earlier one because previously he hadn't "let his feelings guide the way" (Kawamori's a hippie!) and he didn't have the fold-quartz close enough to him in ep 7 for the full effect (he only ever wore earring #2) |
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