2009-10-02, 03:01 | Link #2301 |
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What is this off topic you guys play here? In before the lock are we? You are NOT talking about religion. You are comparing who has the longest.
So, trying to bring back the subject, I ask this: How will our world be different without religions? ... Aside that there will be no more churches. |
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If we woke up tomorrow, and science had disproved everything about religion, I suspect life would be much the same as it is now. People who believe in religion would continue to do so, and would attempt to disprove what science had recently shown to be true. And, people who believe in science will continue to do so, and attempt to prove again, or offer better explanation toward, what science had already proven before. On the other hand, if we're talking about a world where religion never existed, and was never even considered as a possibility, that could be a radically different world indeed. I hesitate here to even speculate as to what that would would be like, because it is so far out of the realm of thought for us, that we probably would not even come close to making an accurate guess. For the sake of guessing though, I suspect that world would be founded largely in only what can be directly perceived. I would even go so far as to say that it would not be grounded in science either, unless science was a pre-existing condition of that world and had, from the beginning of time, described precisely why absolutely everything is the way it is. But, for the most part, old people die because they are old; it's sunny because the sun is out; the crops grow because we planted them; that's the sort of basic thinking, I would surmise, would permeate that society. Quote:
Also, just because you focus on the now, does not mean you cannot plan for the future. The difference is, you have no control over what the future holds, except maybe in the absolutely immediate sense of the words. In that respect, a lack of religion would have little--probably no--effect on that society's ability to cope with whatever the future may hold in store for them. Lastly, what does a lack of organization have to do with the topic at hand? Certainly there is no religious dogma which says that those who practice a certain religion are more organized and prepared than those who do not. Lack of organization comes from an individual's inability to focus, or maintain concentration on the tasks at hand; not from their set or non-set of beliefs.
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2009-10-02, 03:59 | Link #2304 |
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Maybe a world without religion would be a world without imagination. Trying to use your imagination to explain things you don't understand is a great part or religion. The funny thing is, as soon as an imaginative answer is given, imagination ceases to be accepted most of the times.
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2009-10-02, 06:24 | Link #2308 |
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Some may say wishful thinking, confirmation bias, and faith are all one and the same.
And you are right. Everyone has these. Technically the only thing you can know with certainty is that your consciousness exists due to the impossibility of disproving your mind to yourself ( any evidence you are presented must be understood in some way by your mind, thus any evidence that attempts to disprove the minds existence is flawed by default. ) So we all take a very small amount of faith in assuming the world we live in is real and not a dream. It all comes down to intellectual honesty. How much faith are you willing to admit that you have, and how willing are you to accept that not all leaps of faith are equal? @ Cipher + Ascaloth You two should really consider just letting bygones be bygones. From my perspective it seems pretty apparent that neither of you are getting any of your points across to each other. |
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Which is why normally it is refuted as an invalid question, as per the link I quoted initially. Quote:
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Spirituality or "religion" (the codification of that spirituality) may be an unavoidable by-product of our neuro-biology, making the no-religion world more imaginary than pink unicorns. The ability to imagine scenarios, to consider the long term future, the ability to project oneself (empathize) are parts of sophisticated brain function. I'm assuming people are aware of experiments where specific locations of the brain can be stimulated to produce:
1) religious awe 2) voices, hallucinations (particularly of the deceased) 3) apparent conversations within the mind with "other" entities. What I'm saying is that spirituality is probably unavoidable... *organized* or *codified* religion (and all the problems it seems to cause because of the ease with which it is usurped by the mentally ill people who want to "be in charge") is something that can probably be resisted, however.
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2009-10-02, 12:44 | Link #2311 | |
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well actually, the strive for religion isnt a by-product. it has a purpose. the bad things that come along with religion are by-products. avoided...more like blocked the hell out of conciousness. thats what stupid ppl do, lol. mentally ill ppl tend to be more religious...i do urge ppl to read "The Corruption Of Reality A unified Theory Of Religion Hypnosis And Psychopathology - John Schumaker"
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I think this is why I find it so hard to imagine a world without religion. It's a curious topic but, in the end, I just can't seem to wrap my head around it because it just doesn't feel plausible.
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Well, I can't really imagine it either. But five hundred years ago, could our ancestors have imagined us?
(Still, I agree that it's too far removed from our present reality for us to imagine it with any degree of usefulness or accuracy.) |
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In relation to the topic, as you've stated, I guess it doesn't qualify as evidence. Now another question, is religion just another "tendency" of man? Maybe so, but considering how highly regarded it is as an issue, how can it be without purpose? Quote:
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Now, if these more recent persons did this, our ancestors' tendency and the higher chance of earlier "theories" and "speculations" of the future is clear. If you meant "imagining" us by *exactly* us. Then no, that would be the impossible extreme of human *intuition*. Quote:
No offense, just a suggestion you could simply ignore. Organization includes calculation of the *possibilities*. Its part of the system of *aligning*(organizing) standard organizations.For example, companies, with organization, will try to "predict" their "long-term" futures. Thus, religions are created. Last edited by Cipher; 2009-10-03 at 00:48. |
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Back to the topic, What do you (everyone) think of a world of no-religion? |
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not a debate, philosophy, religion |
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