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I'm drawing a distinction between Homura's labyrinth which exists entirely within her Soul Gem, and a standard one, which seems to be an actual physical area that's mobile and is coterminous with the material plane. The Labyrinths are mentally-constructed worlds, but they seem to have SOME sense of tangibility; they're just pocket dimensions out of phase with the real world. Regardless, we can't really speak for the size of the labyrinths. We never really explore them that deeply and they might have additional directional axis for all we can tell. There's also the question of how much of Homura's city 'exists' when it's not being observed by one of the people trapped in it. Quote:
As for the fragment of the Law of Cycles she stole, this is heavily implied to be Madoka herself; her human, anthropomorphic identity that was taken from the world. If the Law of Cycles still exists and is still functioning, then it's universal law with no consciousness behind it. No longer governed or administrated by that perfect, heavenly, compassionate soul that ached for all people and smiled in the face of all adversity. What this means for the fate of Magical Girls is uncertain. My personal theory until we know more is that the Law of Cycles will just delete Magical Girls instead of delivering them to Madoka's heaven. A machine that deletes things it's told must not come to exist.
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^ Even if the Law of Cycles was still functioning I'm not sure it would be able to reach the magical girls inside Homura's barrier.
Maybe the Law of Circles doesn't work anymore and Homura applied a new Law to her universe to take care of witches. What kind of Law that would be, and what would happen with those girls, is anyone's guess. One possibility is that in Homu's universe magical girls just don't exhaust their magic and never reach the point of witchification.
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When Mami put Homura's soul gem on her body (after the battle with Homura's witch form), I was very surprised that the colour of the soul gem was blue instead of purple. I guess that's the first hint that Homura's soul gem was corrupted, but not corrupted by despair.
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2013-12-06, 20:20 | Link #1165 | |
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I think both theories have their own merits. The first one implies that it was more of a spontaneous decision by Homura. She only began to set the plan in motion during the flower fields scene. The second one implies that Homura had been planning for a much longer time. Perhaps the whole reason she became a witch was part of her plan to lure Madoka to her. This is supported by the fact that her soul gem appeared as blue/indigo instead of purple/purple mixed with black. I doubt we'll get a definite answer on this though. Unless the creators answer this question specifically, or season 2/movie 4 says something specific on this. |
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^ The color of Sayaka's soul gem was also sort of indigo when it got really corrupted in episode 8 of tv series, so I think it's just the standard color for corrupted soul gems. Also, note that in the movie Nagisa and Sayaka only noticed there was something wrong with Homura's soul gem when it started to get all weird, and they know a lot about this stuff so....
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2013-12-07, 00:17 | Link #1168 | |
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It's only until she grabs Madoka that it turns a DIFFERENT color, which Nagisa and Sayaka claim corresponds to a different emotion, but can't pin it down. Homura then describes that the emotion is reserved for Madoka, and then when Kyubey asks what it was, she answers that it's love. The sequence is clear and unambiguous. She fills her Soul Gem with Love for the sake of her ascension the moment before she comes into contact with Madoka.
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I just came back from seeing the film in the theater.
I personally adored everything about this film, even the controversial ending. In addition to having some of the most breathtaking visuals in any anime film, I felt that it expanded on the themes and questions that the show brought up even more, and also made sure to keep the story and characters at the centerfold of it all. So basically, it succeeded where Evangelion 3.0 tried and failed. What say you? |
2013-12-07, 02:25 | Link #1170 | ||
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I wonder why Homura's soul gem was filled with despair though. Is it a ploy to lure Madoka out? Did she despair because she was the only one who remembered Madoka? What do you think? Quote:
I really loved three scenes. First is the Homura shot herself in the head one. I saw lots of promotion material about the supposed "driven to suicide" shot before I saw the movie. As a Homura fan, I *loved* the fact that she did pull the trigger. Without saying a single word. Without hesitation. No giving up. Would do anything for her mission. That's Homura. But that's only half of it. The truly badass part is where she considered but refused to shoot Mami's head/soul gem. Homura would be a shadow of herself without her hidden kindness. Would shoot her own head, but not her friend's. Mercy is real power. The second scene is her rebellion against Madoka. I screamed "no" in my heart when Madokami came to take Homura away. I would hate the story to end that way. Absolutely loved it when Homura grabbed Madoka and dragged her back to earth. I cheered. That's the Akemi Homura I know and love. How could she stand by and allow Madoka to continue to suffer after hearing Madoka's heartfelt answer in the flower fields? How could she give up on saving Madoka just like that? She did exactly what I would expect from Homura. Anything for victory. I was quite disturbed by Homura's creepy expressions as the devil. But the scene showing that she gave all her friends happy lives reassured me. The same person who said she didn't care but nevertheless showed up to save everybody again and again is still here. Last edited by Monoriu; 2013-12-07 at 02:46. |
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I get the ending, the reason that she acts that way really isn't that hard to understand and there is a lot of foreshadowing to such a possible outcome (Mainly the scene where Madoka is talking about how she would never make such a decision without being put into great pain). As you said, the animation, music, and characters were all really well done. The fight scenes in particular were really well done, I honestly thought the movie contained the best fight scenes in the series. I am not really sure what I could criticize about any of them except one character, the new magical girl that I honestly am probably just going to call Cheese cause I don't remember them ever saying her name. She really felt like a completely unneeded character, the roles that she fulfills can also be easily fulfilled by Sayaka later in the film. I enjoyed the concept of her character but I really felt like they just added her there for some gags and extra movie length. All I know is that as soon as it gets a DVD release, which I am sure that I will, I will be getting it as soon as possible so I can re-watch it again and again .
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I just came back from seeing it too. Now you can guess where everyone's from.
Something that I don't see many people mentioning, but I cringed during the nightmare's cake sealing song. Extra hard.
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A soul gem gets filled with despair as the magical girl exhausts all her magic in combat. Even in the magical girl wasn't feeling despair, the soul gem still gets corrupted with it.
Homura's soul gem got corrupted probably because she exhausted her magic fighting a horde of Majuu on her own in the wilderness (the last scene in the tv series).
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Now, I know her saying "I've always waited for this moment" may seem to go against that, but I don't think it does: she had always waited for the moment to be reunited with Madoka, but the reason had since changed and perhaps spurred by their exchange in the flower field and newfound feeling of "love," Homura takes the opportunity to nab Madoka, strip her of (some of) her powers, and imprison her (for her own good). At which point exactly did she decide she would do this, particularly in relation to when her soul gem became tainted with love, I don't know. But I do think it was a somewhat rapid succession. Quote:
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Anyhow, yeah I kind of forgot about that scene, I don't think it was that bad and I assume it was like that because it is the "perfect" way defeating a monster would look like in Homura's mind. Although I guess I got to agree, I kind of cringed as well, I found the whole song a little creepy honestly.
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Saw it in theatres last night. Much better than seeing the camrip. It was nice watching it again and being able to look for the subtle clues throughout, such as Mami's ribbon attaching to Homura and the scene in the flower garden where you can almost see Homura's mind snap.
It was also great listening to the crowd's responses to scenes. In the pre-screening show with the voice actresses, when Sayaka's VA turns it over to Kyoko's VA, calling her "Sayaka's partner", a loud roar of applause began. Then later, when Sayaka confessed, another roar, then laughter when Nagisa flew by and ruined the moment. Then there was the ending, where Madoka came to retrieve Homura. You heard a lot of "awww" as Madoka said she'd been waiting, then a very audible gasp when Homura made the wicked smile. |
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It occurs to me that, in the TV series, Homura tried to save all the other four girls alone. She failed in each and every case (Madoka saved herself, the other 3 died). Movie 3 is the complete opposite. The 4 girls joined forces (plus Nagisa/Bebe) to save Homura, and succeeded without too much trouble.
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