2013-01-04, 16:02 | Link #2381 |
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Arrogant? No really, but irrelevant in any case. And if that was your point then I guess discussion on that matter will leave us to another discussion about what the author can and cannot do. Besides you can’t really “correct” an opinion, being this one express once or several times don’t really matter. The idea of “correct” others opinion can be arrogant as well. And the questions are right here on this page. You ask me how to justify the introduction about a new magic style here and I say nothing, then you ask me again and I did respond keep the topic over the same matter as a result.
About battles and wars we do have examples of forces that lose several battles and wins wars. One of my favorites is the war Rome had with the king Pyrrhus of Epirus. The king did win all battles and yet was force to retreat back to his country. So there is that. And I know tactics are good, I just say that sometimes other factors might come in to play on a setting like this one. And AI that can react, I really don’t know because it seems you can make a device in your house so with better resources who knows what could happen? And I can’t be “sanctimonious” because I didn’t even knew that word existed until I checked on Google.
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On the subject of Sieg, it seems from this chapter she has some sort of "berserk button" or "uncontrollable magic." That goes a long way to explain why she chooses to live alone in a tent in the woods when she has a kind rich friend to hang out with. It also gives us a hint why she dropped out so suddenly in the last tournament.
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2013-01-04, 20:29 | Link #2383 | |
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2013-01-04, 23:40 | Link #2385 |
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I don’t know. If Sieg does gone berserker at times: why she keeps fighting? Won’t be better if she avoids that kind of situation so she doesn’t go like the Hulk and smash everything. I mean it that is the case will be irresponsible to risk others lives by entering a tournament where is a good change she will kill someone. Could be something different, and I am not sure she does live on that tend in the woods, seems more like a place to train.
Barrier Jackets aren’t invisible and if that is the case, a strong defense, I say could be address in the lots of parts where they comment on the fight but maybe that is the real answer. I just don’t see Barrier Jackets at such strong shields; they never hold up against the strongest attacks and just seem to be their last resource when fighting. About the TSAB army I will never seem them being competent since half of the time they are use for the bad guys to stretch out a little. And then we see rookies take down such bad guys so really is something that I am not really getting here about general competence. My take on it. The witch girl is new magic, but she is just so… no important that I am afraid the manga will show her up when we do have more interesting things going with this fight Einhart and Sieg had. The aftermatch of it is something I think could be more interesting than anything has happen on this manga so far, so really I don’t wish to be interrupt by Lutecia and the witch if its possible.
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2013-01-04, 23:52 | Link #2386 | |
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2013-01-05, 01:20 | Link #2388 | |
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This appears to be a recent innovation, otherwise Shante wouldn't have questioned the lack of visible change, considering that she clearly saw Vivio and Sacred Heart do SOMETHING magical. |
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If we're looking for an in-universe excuse, one could theorize it's an alteration done for the tournament to help simulate visual battle damage without actual physical injury. A visual cue to help judges make calls, so to say. Quote:
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2013-01-05, 09:29 | Link #2390 |
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I guess we need to see more of Sieg to know, agree, but I am just curious to be honest and is not that important. Besides is because of ViVid’s fanservice that I had my doubts about the defense power of Barrier Jackets. They just torn like they were made of paper mache or something like that. I always assume they made the mage so durable but when they are hit with magic lose some consistency. Besides if the defense was automatic Einhart could not hit Sieg like she did so is something the last one most control.
You get me wrong. I say the consequences of this fight, so I mean stick around Einhart and Vivio after all the memories Sieg make them revive and learn what is going to happen with them. I do consider that more interesting than Lutecia or the witch girl, more when you consider the little to no impact those two had in the story so far.
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2013-01-05, 13:59 | Link #2393 |
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...on the other hand Barrier Jackets also seem to be awfully vulnerable against bladed attacks, Zest's jacket didn't do anything to protect him against Signum's blade, Nanoha's also seem to be badly damaged after receiving hits from Signum and Fate and aside of those ...usually people tend to just use defensive spells against Laevatein ...oh yeah, don't forget Vita being skewered by a Type IV drone.
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2013-01-05, 14:04 | Link #2394 |
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Zest was also on death's doorstep and couldn't seem to use his magic properly anymore thanks to his body breaking down. He likely couldn't put any magic into his barrier jacket, or more likely wasn't even bothering because hey--he wanted to die. Laevatein and Bardiche are also bladed magical weapons, so... yeah.
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2013-01-05, 14:28 | Link #2395 | |
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2013-01-05, 14:46 | Link #2396 | |
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Zest was on death's doorstep even before the beginning of the season and was enough to deal with two Belkan Knights and then finsihed off a combat cyborg without even breaking a sweat. I can buy he hasn't the concentration or will to pull out a defensive spell on his last duel but i doubt that has something to do with his Knight Clothing's functions xDU Nanoha able to gather and firing Starlight Breaker even after being brutalized by Vita and core crushed by Shamal serves as good example magic is not directly related to health condition, Precia was also dying (and probably in even worse condition than Zest) but that didn't prevented her from laying the smackdown on pretty much everyone. Zest wanted to die, but he wanted a honorable knight's death which is, dying in fair fight with wathever strenght you still have, stand still waiting for the sword would be enough if he really wanted to die the way you implied.
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2013-01-05, 19:51 | Link #2397 |
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However, the point of them being magical weapons still stands. Not so much in the kinetic VS magic kind of sense (to be honest, I would rather avoid this kind of comparison), but more that, well, as with all magic attacks the attacks of a magical weapon tends to be enhanced with magic.
So it's more a blunt VS sharp damage, which falls back to fiction fighting being terribly unrealistic almost all the time. Blunt force can do as much harmful damage as sharp damage, but because blunt damage tends to be less visible, it's easier to ignore it. Most people won't care if a hero or villain gets up after getting hit with a hammer, but slicing a guy with a sword? That's going to be cracking the suspension of disbelief on a lot of people if he gets up as if nothing has happened after that. Last edited by Keroko; 2013-01-05 at 21:47. |
2013-01-05, 22:34 | Link #2398 |
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I use to go for the magic being able to cut the Barrier Jacket and the physical impacts not for a reason of the nature in the spells but again that is kind of odd when blades can cut the jackets as well so I really stop thinking about it. Besides on Subaru’s case she is not a good example because of her cyborg nature, she is really stronger and can take more damage than a simple human could, Barrier Jacket or not.
But this is away from ViVid guys. Let’s keep focus. What I mean up there Keroko is this: An invisible defense on Sieg will cover all her body and will be active to prevent Ein from doing damage, but Ein did hit Sieg on the face and cause a 5000 LifePoints damage, so to me Sieg wasn’t using an invisible Contact Mode as Vivio was. Is not that I can’t buy Sieg having a contact mode far stronger than Vivio’s but is just never address and when I see a character beating up another one so bad, I do want an explanation to why the fight is too one sided beyond: “she is the champion”. More foreshadowing or a little quick cover up will be helpful on that case. And I want to see any kind of plot and story beyond a rather boring fight between two girls we know so little about and are just fighting for fun.
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