North Korea Crisis

[Ithekro]

In an aftermath Korea, would it be allowed to be nuclear (North, South, or United).

[NoemiChan]

....with a NK government in exile in China...

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Ridwan

Consider this : in the wake of an actual deposition of the Kims from power should things really go bad for them, who will gonna replace them and what will become of NK ?

A more extremist regime that SK or China wouldn't tolerate prompting an invasion. It is either a unified Korea that invades Japan and attacks the rest of EA after 10 years of militarisation, or a pro-China SK and an eventual Chinese hegemony spanning the entire Asia.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

In an aftermath Korea, would it be allowed to be nuclear (North, South, or United).

It wouldn't actually matter. If China or South Korea runs it, they could, but won't, run nuclear powerplants because their is no point. Nuclear weapons are out of the question because what for? China or America would supply the nuclear deterrent.

In an aftermath, the priority would be rebuilding and spending money wisely. Nuclear power and Nuclear weapons would both be a waste of money for the rebuilding effort.

[kuroishinigami]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

It is a mini 5MW nuclear reactor, so the fallout would be minimal.

How large is this minimal would be? As in how large the area that will be in danger level radiation? 2 km radius from reactor? 500 m?

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by kuroishinigami

How large is this minimal would be? As in how large the area that will be in danger level radiation? 2 km radius from reactor? 500 m?

Chernobyl is 1000MW, an old reactor. Fukushima is 5000MW, a newer reactor.

At 5MW and an old reactor with tech dated between those two references, not much damage I think.

PM Gundamfan0083. He is a nuclear scientist.

[Badkarma 1]

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[JokerD]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Chernobyl is 1000MW, an old reactor. Fukushima is 5000MW, a newer reactor.

At 5MW and an old reactor with tech dated between those two references, not much damage I think.

PM Gundamfan0083. He is a nuclear scientist.

Please don't go for the nuclear reactors, SK has 4 sites with 23 (currently) reactors and NK have rockets.

Can anyone say radiation cloud?

[sa547]

I find it a coincidence that this and Olympus just came out on show at the nearest cinemaplex.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by JokerD

Please don't go for the nuclear reactors, SK has 4 sites with 23 (currently) reactors and NK have rockets.

Can anyone say radiation cloud?

Actually just destroying the 2 bronze statues will do, followed by a leaflet drop courtesy of the yaoi doujinshis showing Kim Jong Un in BDSM NTR by a redneck. Since both Koreas are known to have chauvanist societies and Kim is prided to be "as masculine as his father and grandfather", an insult to his manhood will probably achieve the desired effect of driving him into a heart attack or completely nuts.

A couple of NLOS munitions from an artillery gun or missile launcher should do the trick. The rest is up to the printing services in SK.

[ganbaru]

China expresses regret at North Korea restarting nuclear plant
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93106720130402

[NoemiChan]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

China expresses regret at North Korea restarting nuclear plant
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93106720130402

: Kim is making another stupid strategy, Mom!

[Kameruka]

Attack Iran first. Let North Korea lives.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Kameruka

Attack Iran first. Let North Korea lives.

Iran is pretty well-armed. And without a single enemy, the generally Sunni-ruled Mideast would have crushed Israel then fought amongst themselves, jeopardising the entire world's crude oil flow. The next thing you know figurines are 100,000 yen each despite being the size of nendroids.

And being the only moderate, stupid Turkey is behaving like the British. Just chilling out and minding their own business and doing business with everyone despite their well-known and respected former glories beholding epic-sized empires across planet Earth. I can't understand why sensible states and people wash their hands in golden bowls and let morons take over them instead of smacking all these manchild institutions into behaving like adults.

And from the News Stories thread :

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

At least they gave these exercises an appropriate name, "Iron Fist," rather than the recent American approach of labeling acts of warfare as somehow humanitarian in nature like "Operation Provide Comfort" or "Enduring Freedom."

I find the name still inappropriate because :

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

It should be renamed as "Loli Love Liberation".

Please support pertinent naming of exercises and operations.

[killer3000ad]

NK blocks SK access to Kaesong industrial zone
There are still 861 South Korean workers in Kaesong. No word on whether DPRK is allowing them to leave.

[ArchmageXin]

Originally Posted by killer3000ad

NK blocks SK access to Kaesong industrial zone
There are still 861 South Korean workers in Kaesong. No word on whether DPRK is allowing them to leave.

The better question is why was North Korea was allowed to own this piece of prime real estate.

Let me think. 54,000 workers * 144 * 12= 80 million + of direct wages, and estimated as much as 2 billion dollars worth of trade for NK.

So while China get pilloried by the UN and the west for trading with NK all year long/watering down sanctions...

why is SK allowed to provide as much as 1/5 of NK's GDP unscathed?

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by killer3000ad

NK blocks SK access to Kaesong industrial zone
There are still 861 South Korean workers in Kaesong. No word on whether DPRK is allowing them to leave.

South Korean Workers already in the park were allowed to leave. SK workers trying to enter were barred.

The South Korean workers already in the complex were allowed out, but those seeking to enter in the morning were not given access. This comes on the heels of a March 30 statement in which North Korea threatened to close the complex if there was “any attempt to damage the dignity” of the country.

It makes sense that North Korea wouldn't take hostages. While they're in a confrontation with the UN/South Korea right now, long term they need that industrial park. And no South Korean company would send anyone into the park if they knew they could become potential hostages. And given the current tension, taking hundreds of South Korean civilians hostage would be a sure fire way to start a war.

Originally Posted by ArchmageXin

The better question is why was North Korea was allowed to own this piece of prime real estate.

Let me think. 54,000 workers * 144 * 12= 80 million + of direct wages, and estimated as much as 2 billion dollars worth of trade for NK.

So while China get pilloried by the UN and the west for trading with NK all year long/watering down sanctions...

why is SK allowed to provide as much as 1/5 of NK's GDP unscathed?

Probably because the park is less about commercial opportunism, and more about fostering better relations between the North and the South. Not an unreasonable desire considering that the two nations share an extremely militarized border. The South Koreans do have a vested interest in trying to better relations with the North.

There's also the fact that South Korea is big buddies with the USA, who are the main force behind the sanctions. The US isn't exactly gonna internationally criticize South Korea's policies for dealing with North Korea.

[Ridwan]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

And being the only moderate, stupid Turkey is behaving like the British. Just chilling out and minding their own business and doing business with everyone despite their well-known and respected former glories beholding epic-sized empires across planet Earth. I can't understand why sensible states and people wash their hands in golden bowls and let morons take over them instead of smacking all these manchild institutions into behaving like adults.

Not invading all over middle east is the only way to remain sane and thus, a candidate for a stabilizing factor in the region. Also, Arab Spring caught everyone by surprise, including Turkey, and jumping into opened cans of worms is the last thing they should do. Not to mention not everyone at home has come to sense that knocking Europe's door will never achieve anything, so that needs to be sorted out, along with Kurdish issue and moving on from the '30s in general.

[willx]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

There's also the fact that South Korea is big buddies with the USA, who are the main force behind the sanctions. The US isn't exactly gonna internationally criticize South Korea's policies for dealing with North Korea.

There's also the fact that like the Berlin Wall, families and a shared identity (arguable?) continue to exist between the people on either side. It makes me curious about the China/Taiwan situation.

In either of these cases actual outright conflict will result in divided families and distant relatives potentially killing each other. This "link" will shrink over time though as generations die off, in particular the former case NK/SK due to travel restrictions. I wonder if the likelihood for actual war will actually increase over time rather than decrease (/wild speculation)

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by willx

There's also the fact that like the Berlin Wall, families and a shared identity (arguable?) continue to exist between the people on either side. It makes me curious about the China/Taiwan situation.

The Taiwan situation is different. Culturally we are closer to Japan than China, and when Chiang came he made a mess of the place. Generation of brainwashing couldn't make us hate Japan, and that's where the our loyalties lie today. Taiwan is scared of China, there is no brotherly love there.