2006-10-02, 19:10 | Link #2061 | |||||
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I hope I didn't come across as anti-SP. I don't draw fanart or make GIFs or intend to buy a DVD of a series that I didn't enjoy. I'd defend liking it, if needed.
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2006-10-02, 19:19 | Link #2062 | ||
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2006-10-03, 11:24 | Link #2065 | |
Dansa med oss
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Near Cincinnati, OH, but actually in Kentucky
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At what point does "fanservice" become a crutch instead of gloss? I think Simoun is a great example of using fanservice as a gloss for a show that would still be great without it. I don't quite agree that the romantic elements were part of the fanservice, or that they could be removed without damaging the story, but everything else is good. And I never even thought of comparing SP with Simoun until people around here started doing it. Frankly, I don't even consider Simoun yuri since the people aren't technically female until they go to the Spring and choose to be so. I'm probably in the minority with that opinion, though. |
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2006-10-03, 15:46 | Link #2066 | |
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2006-10-03, 18:51 | Link #2067 |
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Thanks for the responses, guys. However, they convinced me of what I already felt after having written up my previous post: that despite fignae calling what I said "relatively well-articulated" (thanks ), it really wasn't. I think it actually created a rather distorted picture of my reasons. Well, I'll have to see if I can organize my thoughts a bit better and do a retry. I'm not sure I'll get to it, though; because in a lot of ways it would be a waste of time. I don't mean that in the "I'll never convince you fools anyway" sense , it's just that with the new season starting there are going to be lots of more appealing things competing for my attention than sorting out why I didn't enjoy something. I guess we'll see how it goes.
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2006-10-03, 21:59 | Link #2068 | |||
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And you're right about the conscious choice for the characters to look female instead of inbetween. While it might make some sense considering fetal development, it makes more sense on the level of thinking--how many people would want to watch a show about people of indeterminate gender? (besides me, I mean) Given the anime style, androgyny tends towards the boyish; so it might even look a bit like boyslove...while some fangirls might be pleased, that was obviously not the type of show the creators wanted ("about young girls growing up"). I'm happy they went the route they did for two reasons... 1) When it comes to fiction, I have an easier time enjoying works with well developed female characters. When it comes to all female versus all male, I'll watch the former first. I watched the first half of Gravitation, enjoyed the first half of Kyou Kara Maou, but never finished either. On the other hand, I inexplicably made it through all of Gokujou Seitoukai. 2) Floef or Vyuraf could be me. The process in Simoun mirrors what I've been through far more than a textbook female-to-male case. Obviously, I don't get to see this part of me in fiction much. |
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2006-10-03, 22:27 | Link #2069 | ||
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Location: Near Cincinnati, OH, but actually in Kentucky
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Most of my reasoning on this comes from the fact that post-choice same-sex relationships are not look kindly upon in Simulacrum (at least, that's what I gathered). So, it's okay for the pre-choice people to be in relationships because they're technically neither sex. I think we also agreed (with pretty much no basis, mind you) that girls are infertile before going to the Spring. Quote:
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2006-10-05, 07:40 | Link #2071 |
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Simile Simoun production (inter mission report)
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My friends (male) report reprint from ... Edit :image size changed.....(pixel 1024x 996 half to pixel 602x498) Last edited by Yui from Okinawa; 2006-10-06 at 11:22. |
2006-10-06, 11:02 | Link #2074 | |
Loyal Haruhist.
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ex:I honestly think gundam wing sucks but I like it anyway because I like the concept of an epic war with shifting alliance and great ideals. There's some flaws in Simoun's development.I think the eps 15-20 were weak. But the end and more precisely the concept that are devloped are very intresting. Think about Onashia,she deserves an anime just for her.How many priestees did she saw?How many tragedies?How many happy moments?What did she thougt of this?Guarding the spring for years,perhaps centuries(if we accept she's Dominura). Ah, well....i talk.But I really feel empty.I just watched ep26 a few hours ago(wowo is a god,thank you wowo) and I feel empty and nostalgic.That's the second time in less than a month,the other time was the end of H&C II. Spoiler:
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2006-10-06, 12:24 | Link #2075 |
Yuuki Aoi
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Oh, Yui, thank you. I'm glad it wasn't really sayonara. That illustration works for me. I have no trouble at all imagining a male Neviril. I think that could well have been her decision, if things had gone differently. From Sibylla Aurea to Deputy Chairman. Her father probably made some kind of similar journey. And Aaeru I can imagine remaining female, for sure, even if she has always seemed so "boyish."
I enjoyed ZeusIrae's post, although I disagree with him about the weakness of episodes in the 15-20 range. When wowo mentioned something along those lines, I went back and watched 17, 19 and 20 and was totally and completely blown away. Watching them in full knowledge of the ending was overwhelming. It is true that some things were hard to understand at early viewings, so you could say there were problems with direction and/or storyboard. But the essence of the episodes is at least as strong as others, for me. This is an exaggerated comparison, perhaps, but it is like going back and reading Hamlet: it was pretty hard to understand when I first read it, but every time I read it now it just gets richer. And of course I understood yononaka's point about the fans filling in things that weren't there. We added something to the mix. But we built on a rich foundation that really was there, and that people who were put off by the surface of the piece were unable to see. I don't see that foundation as just having to do with concepts. These characters were deep and rich and present as people in ways I don't see in many other animes. Perhaps the bizarre context made that more possible, paradoxically. I am spending my time with this season's new shows right now, and there is nothing here yet that compares in the slightest way with Simoun, Honey & Clover, or Nana, or even Bokura ga Ita, for human depth and human feeling. There is perhaps some hope for Red Garden. And I look forward to seeing Hataraki-man next week. And I am a sucker for the melancholy romance -- and godly animation -- of Kanon. And the bizarre humor of Yamato Nadeshiko Shichi Henge is intriguing. And I enjoyed the first episode of Ghost Hunt, with Nazuka Kaori (Yun); and the first ep of the crazed comedy Mamoru-kun, with Takahashi Mikako (Rodoreamon). Kin-iro no Cord seems a potentially enjoyable combination of romantic comedy with classical music. Marginal Prince is the animation of a keitai love-sim game for girls, and has some human feeling in it, along with cheese. Happiness makes an abject romantic like me feel, well, happy. And Negima is, so far, a triumph of interesting animation. EDIT: There's no question the drawing is not the Aer and Neviril in the anime. But I can see them as the Aer and Neviril from another timeline. And in a few years.
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2006-10-06, 12:57 | Link #2076 |
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I'd hesitate to include anime Nana in that list (I loved the manga first), and I haven't seen H&C (the second season's OP was my worst nightmare made flesh), but yes, I haven't seen anything that I think could live up to the beauty of Simoun. There's a clarity and grace here that can only be matched by darkness and brutality elsewhere.
Code Geass was fairly fun for me, in addition to some of the abovementioned. I think it's the one with the most Simoun seiyuu. I think I went around half-mad hearing shades of Simoun everywhere. Nazuka Kaori is in a lot of series this new season. Definitely seconding the Red Garden rec. And yes, I find the picture disturbing too. Ahem. |
2006-10-06, 13:20 | Link #2077 |
Naysayer?Fanboy?Wiseacre?
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The picture is disturbing mostly because it does not have much to do with the development in the anime. And Aaeru looks too much like a housewife who leaves her home once a month, I just can't help but picture her as a very active person even when pregnant.
Episodes 15-17 are great, 18-20 not that great. I am curious to see whether my opinion will change after rewatching them. From what you are saying I guess I am not missing much by having watched thus far a grand total of one episode from the new season.
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2006-10-06, 17:11 | Link #2078 |
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Off-topic, but I want to say that I have just seen the first show of the new season whose first episode seemed to me to have some of the high aesthetic quality of Simoun: Asatte no Houkou. Emotions implied rather than stated. Silences that roar. And the theme has some parallels, too, except that it involves age rather than gender. Your mileage may vary.
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2006-10-06, 22:01 | Link #2079 | ||
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I love 18-20, and I hate them too... *kicks siggy* Heh. I need to finish rewatching all the episodes to get in touch with my real feelings on them. However, I'm trying to resist the rewatch with so many things I haven't seen yet.
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"Neviril, let's have a baby!" (wow, this is sudden! But...I'd love to start a family with Aaerif.) "All right." --smile-- --GRIN-- .... ........ ............ "So...how do we start?" (my grandfather never told me these things...) ===================== Eh, it would probably be Aaeruf, but I think Aaerif looks better. Kaoru Chujo: Thanks for the heads up about Asatte no Houkou, I'll be sure to give it a try. |
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2006-10-06, 23:23 | Link #2080 | ||
Dansa med oss
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Near Cincinnati, OH, but actually in Kentucky
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I relate a lot to their feelings personally, not wanting to grow up and move on into the doldrums of adulthood. Two choices present themselves: leech off my parents until I die, which I can't do because we're poor; or get a job and make my own money and start my own life, which I've begun to do. After working for about four weeks, I'm developing a truely deep hatred for modern society far beyond the political and economical spoutings of most people. I already have a horrible sense of loss and longing for all the things I used to love but simply don't have time to do them as much as I'd like. I feel like I'm giving up my passions in exchange for money, which goes against everything I've always stood for. The worst part is that it feels like there's no way out, and that this really is going to be the rest of my life until I'm too old and decrepit to enjoy resting on my laurels. I wanna just hop into a Simoun and fly away from the world like they did, but we don't have any of those around here. Wow... sorry for the random tangent there Quote:
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