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You do realize that Hidan's villliage is still unknown right? IT's impossible to persicely make out what is on the headband. Your just making a guess that Hidan is from the Rain. |
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Actually, they show Hidan's forehead protector (wrapped around his neck) in one of the chapters. I don't remember which chapter it is (I'll look later, unless someone knows off the top of their head), but it's definitely not a Rain headband. It's a village symbol we've never seen before, on any character, or in any other form. As of yet, he's still the only one I know of who is from a village that has never been introduced.
Edit: Hidan's is definitely not the Rain symbol.
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2008-02-09, 18:57 | Link #126 | |
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On topic: 1.) Tobi/Madara 2.) Pein 3.) Konan 4.) Hidan 5.) Kakuzu 6.) Sasori 7.) Deidara 8.) Itachi 9.) Kisame 10.) Zetsu 11.) Orochimaru (formerly) There it is...we know them all.
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Second of all, I asked the same question in the Q & A Thread, and Hunter was kind enough to grace me with an answer. If you read chapter 383, Pein specifically refers to Tobi as Madara. Also, I believe it was in chapter 380 or 381, Tobi calls himself Madara. Tobi being Madara isn't speculation anymore. Or, if it is, it's only about 1% speculation (probably less). Tobi is Madara; he said it, Pein said it. Whether he's using Obito's body or not is a completely different story, but he's not Obito, he's Madara.
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Also, I find many of the arguments a bit weak regarding why Madara would be Obito For instance: 1.) Obito gave his left eye to Kakashi, and Tobi's mask has a hole over his right eye only. Well, that can be negated by saying, "Hey, Tobi's gotta be able to see!" If he's trying to conceal his identity from most people, hiding his face seems like the best way to do it. And if he does that, he can't just walk around with a mask that covers both eyes; he'd be walking into walls. Also, by only leaving one eye exposed, he increases the likelihood that, from far away, one could not recognize when he had Sharingan activated. 2.) Obito and Tobi have similar hair styles. Okay, that's just a ridiculous example, if you ask me. Lots of people in Naruto have similar hair styles, but no one argues that they are related (Chouji/Naruto in pt. 1, Kimimaro/Sakon in pt. 1, etc.) Most of the Uchiha had their hair styled in one of only three or four ways. I don't buy this argument for one second. 3.) Tobi has some crazy mechanical-looking armor all over his body. This theory is based on one picture...the first picture where he identified himself as Madara. At no other time has there been a full body picture that definitively shows him as having mechanical body parts or body coverings. In fact, some pictures have shown to negate this fact, through representation of a normal right leg (specifically when they show him sitting on his head at VotE). Secondly, if he had mechanical body armor on the parts of his body that were crushed, that would include the right side of his skull...and his eye! If you argue that he transferred his eyes to Obito's body, I'd like to know how. First off, he'd have to know a soul-transfer jutsu of some kind. Assuming he knows that, he has to be able to see his target to perform it. If he uses the jutsu before he implants the eyes, he can't move in Obito's body, since it's crushed under the boulder. If he does it after, he can't see his target...and he can't implant the second eye since, he's still trapped under the boulder. I'm not saying the possibility isn't there, I'm just saying that it's not definitive. For every piece of evidence you offer to suggest it as true, I can offer a point to suggest it is false. Until Kishi tells us otherwise, EVERYTHING about Tobi being Obito is speculation.
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In all accuallity, from the way the Manga looks, it looks like Tobi is accually Madara....it really hasn't been fully revealed, and I wont say it's true untill Tobi is unmaksed..but it's the way it's leading, there is more proof that Tobi is Madara then he is Obito. As for Kakashi obtaining the MS, more and likly there is more then one way to obtain it. Killing his best friend is not the thing Kakasho would do (though I have some theroys on the whole, Obito saving Kakashi, that could lead as Kakashi killing Obito). I really think that there is another way to obtain it though.
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mmm... I'll just put my opinion. Personally, I think there's a higher change that Tobi is Obito and not Madara. Actually, I HIGHLY doubt Tobi is Madara. Afterall, when Tobi was sitting on Madara's statue, there was a part when Madara ordered Pein to capture a jinchuuriki (I think. I can't remember). So, unless he can be at two places at once, I don't think Tobi is Madara.
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Okay...I'm going to try and clear this up, once and for all:
Chapter 363, page 17 Chapter 364, pages 15-18 Chapter 383, page 14 If you combine all of the information received from these pages, it goes something like this: Someone orders Pein to capture the Kyuubi Pein and Konan are shown talking to Tobi, who calls himself Madara, in the place where "Someone orders Pein to capture the Kyuubi." Pein says that it was Madara who ordered him to capture the Kyuubi. Tobi is Madara. There is no arguing it. It's not speculation. Tobi is Madara. Quote:
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