2011-11-09, 13:16 | Link #17541 |
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Population counts suggest there are nearly 6 million (more like 5.7 million really) Jews in Israel. There are a little over 5 million (about 5.3 million) Jews in the United States (as it was by far the safest place to go from all the various purges over the last two centuries). No other country can boast a Jewish population of over a million. France is offically the closest with nearly a half million Jews. The total world population is estimated to be about 13.4 million Jews across the entire planet. That's not really all that many people compared to the other 7 BILLION people.
I respect the jew (to a point, I have worked for them and have found some friendly and some to be assholes). I can get along with them in some things. I've found that Israeli born Jews and Arabs do have one thing in common in terms of personality. They love to haggle and argue. Mostly argue. Once you are on their good side, they treat you almost like family, and won't argue with you as much. However the Israeli governement as simpyl worn away the respect they earned due to their back and forth over Palestine. I use to think it was just settlements encroaching in form the Israeli side of the border into the West Bank. That was annoying, but somewhat expected. What I didn't know about was the settlements being built along the Jordan River along the West Bank's border to Jordan. Why would you have settlements away over there? The Israeli border is no were near that place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Settlements2006.jpg The method is probably the problem. The question becomes, "what does Israel hope to accomplish with this tactic?" They just constrict more and more, and yet claim they want not just peace but also the establishment of a Palestinian state. Just under what terms though. That has been the question. How far can this drag out before such a State is no longer sustainable? How long until Israel is forced to take it from the Palestinians forever?
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2011-11-09, 13:30 | Link #17542 | |
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is anyone going to claim that the Armenians are secretly running U.S politics ? events in the middle east have very little to do with U.S politics. especially during this particular presidents term.
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2011-11-09, 13:31 | Link #17543 | |
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When Germans were expelled from eastern Europe after World War 2, Poles, Russians etc. (were) settled there. After the German reunification and the regain of its sovereignty, decades after World War 2, there was no way that Germany was gonna get its land back. It will be the same for Palestine one day. |
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2011-11-09, 13:39 | Link #17544 | |
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Now is an entirely different story. Settlements continue to grow because that's life. There's 500,000 Israeli Jews over the green line and many Israeli arabs there also. These people will continue to get married, have children and live their lives in the place they were brought up. You can't stop that. Now the Palestinian Authority has gone on record as saying that any future PA state would be Jew-free. That's both racist and quite frankly impossible. It's one thing to complain about the settlements, but the facts on the ground are that they are there and they aren't going anywhere. |
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2011-11-09, 13:55 | Link #17545 | |
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2011-11-09, 14:12 | Link #17546 | |
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Either which way, it's all history now. The settlers (read: Jews) are there, what now? |
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2011-11-09, 14:13 | Link #17547 | |
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2011-11-09, 14:26 | Link #17548 |
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Land swaps are fine, but you still can't insist there be a total cessation of building (even in areas you have absolutely no interest in obtaining) in the meantime. Settlements account for a tiny portion of the west bank, between 1-3%, it's really not the big issue some people seem hell bent on painting it as.
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2011-11-09, 14:32 | Link #17549 | |
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2011-11-09, 14:41 | Link #17552 | |
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its not that Israeli WANTS to create it, but that its already on the ground, and has BEEN the way since before you or I were born. what are you going to do about it.
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2011-11-09, 14:47 | Link #17554 | |
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Nothing, of course. Israel has created and is creating even more facts while the world still discusses the matter over and over again. (fait accompli) That's the point. |
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you've got it backwards, because its War that led to occupation in this case.
and in the case of Gaza, removing them led to War. Quote:
its just that most just ignore them as the delusional children that they are. Quote:
once its on the ground, what does it matter how many buildings there are. Quote:
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2011-11-09, 15:11 | Link #17557 | |
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more buildings does NOT lead to more people. its exactly the other way around. more people require more buildings. and this is NOT a stronger argument for Israel so much as a strong argument for birth control.
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2011-11-09, 15:17 | Link #17558 | |
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We should drop this, I don't even know why you quoted me in the first place. My whole argument is in my very first post on this matter, there is nothing more I can add. |
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2011-11-09, 15:22 | Link #17559 | |
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not as a result of mass migration of people to them, but as a result of people living their lives there. couples get married, children are born, towns grow. like Darkbeat pointed out, its not a result of some government conspiracy to annex territories, but a simple fact of life.
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2011-11-09, 15:30 | Link #17560 |
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Aaah, now I get your point. I was wondering, what you got so hung up about.
I must admit, that I don't know the settlement situation to an extend where I could specify how much is mere natural growth by birth surplus and what is political expansion. Though I still adhere to my initial point, even if that policy is not followed to this day. |
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