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Perfect 10 | 24 | 38.71% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 23 | 37.10% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 9 | 14.52% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 6.45% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.61% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.61% | |
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2013-02-05, 18:58 | Link #101 | ||
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In this, the two races are living in a somewhat harmony until someone becomes ambitious. Not all queerats are bad but Yakomaru obviously is. Quote:
I also agree with Ayra, everything happens now is because the human side is too soft. One question for the ones who think this society is rotten or something: Can you offer a better solution? Or just go "love and peace" and then every problem will disappear on its own. |
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2013-02-05, 19:11 | Link #102 | |
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About the power I think it has already been mentioned that probably he "raised" their child.
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2013-02-05, 19:42 | Link #103 | |
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You see how just and fair their inquisition trials are? Executing purely on suspicion...and wasn't it that that started this whole current affair anyway since Maria and Mamoru were kept away from the village as a result? As for the Bakenezumi...no, I don't have any sympathy for them, but the system of human-Bakenezumi relations is the same as those in occupied territories of war. Maybe even lower because in modern times, even troops risk prosecution for murdering others. Here, it just takes someone like say, Satoru to vent his anger and no one will ask any questions. Nope, massacring them isn't meant to be good for them obviously. It's simply a consequence that they brought on themselves. Just that as a side effect, a better bunch of rulers may come forth.
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2013-02-05, 20:26 | Link #104 | |
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I don't think so.
The fact that the village is at peace for a long time means that their policy is right (right in a sense of efficiently protecting the society, not in a moral sense). Things only got ugly when Tomiko tried to do something new. She should have wiped out Saki's group right after they made the first trouble. What I want to see now is whether Saki is worth so much sacrifice was made for her. Quote:
Kids are not supposed to be involved with the queerats. Satoru broke the adults' rules and you blame the adults? |
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2013-02-05, 20:43 | Link #105 |
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No, if anything, the queerat attack is the consequence of trying to be more "progressive" in your line of thought.
If they had continued to properly ruthlessly weed out the potential problems, then this couldn't have happened. Let's not try to push our own ideals here. They don't apply to a society like theirs. Think about how easily accidental injuries or even deaths come from simple shoves in real life. Now imagine if these simple shoves can blow away an entire building. And you can't block (cantus react badly with another cantus). |
2013-02-06, 01:53 | Link #107 | |
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The bald guy suggested that they should execute Yakomaru and his allies just based on suspicion only. But everyone tried to be reasonable and allowed Yakomaru to explain himself. Ironically, that's their downfall. |
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2013-02-06, 02:49 | Link #108 | ||
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Also might I add that the group one experiment was doing just fine even taking into account what happened to Shun. The only reason things got out of hand was because the board tried to have Mamoru killed and Tomiko called them out on it too.
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2013-02-06, 04:47 | Link #109 | |||||||
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No, the only reason things got out of hand because they botched killing Mamoru. Tomiko said the same thing. Since he survived the attack, his lack of mental conditioning meant he could make decisions and do things a boy his age wouldn't have even thought of. Last edited by kuromitsu; 2013-02-06 at 04:59. |
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2013-02-06, 07:51 | Link #110 | |
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That's not what I meant, I said a little. I meant humans acting brutally in Shiki nothing attitude "human" and society is rotten in Shinsekai killing their own children as Maria said. Also what's wrong with that Squealer want to change things, maybe not the proper way but humans have made things worse in their history. They do not have to be a subordinate community, they deserve better, have been used for centuries and have lived in the shadow of humans.
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2013-02-06, 13:07 | Link #111 |
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The answer is the strong wins. Squealer may have the right to try to supplant the humans using any method they desire. But if you accept this, then the humans have all the right to exterminate them in return with full force.
If anything, the status quo before this is better than the wanton slaughter on both sides this has been leading to. The queerats were free to kill each other while the humans were stable and left things alone. |
2013-02-06, 17:32 | Link #112 | |
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Squeeler might have a personal agenda, but that doesn't mean the bakenezumi are the bad guys here.
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2013-02-06, 18:53 | Link #115 |
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Not really. We like to throw the word slaves around lightly but "hollywood slavery" is something that should be mocked no matter where it's found.
The queerats were a subjugated race for sure and perhaps that's bad enough on its own but there's little reason to make it out to be worse than it is. The queerats themselves make actual slaves and/or brainwash the captives they take from the other tribes in their wars. That alone is more insidious if you are insistent on pushing your own ethics on them (I don't since it's their society and so they get to live with the consequences). There's nothing "better" about the queerats overthrowing the humans except that they were more clever and stronger (assuming they succeed). |
2013-02-06, 19:08 | Link #116 | |
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Well, it would be better for them, wouldn't it? And that's all the the incentive they need.
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2013-02-06, 19:22 | Link #117 |
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I meant ethically as some have been propounding. You can just as easily say it's better for the humans if they didn't put up with any nonsense and just ruthlessly culled everything at the root. It's a debate ethically, but they'd definitely rather not be massacred I'd wager.
And I'm saying it's making it out to be worse than it is to automatically call the queerats slaves. They're under human rule but that's not nearly the same as slavery. So yes, you were the one who made it out to be worse than it is. The fact that they'd want to come out of subjugation just like they'd want to be free of slavery really doesn't have anything to do with that. |
2013-02-06, 19:38 | Link #118 | |
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This isn't ethical debate however. I'm just saying that it's natural for any sentient race to want to be free. That's all. Squeeler might be using this desire to further his own agenda, but that doesn't change the fact that the bakenezumi want to be free from the PKers.
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2013-02-06, 20:51 | Link #119 |
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Yes the squeerats are not bad guys.
And yes, it's understandable if they want to be free. But is it wise to rebel? A failed rebellion usually brings more harm than good. Let's face it. There is no way in hell the squeerats can win. They can cause serious damage to the human side, yes, but it only makes things worse for them when the human take revenge. Basically it will cause a ton of meaningless deaths and nothing will really change (except their lives will become harsher than before for sure). So is some illusion of freedom really worth it? |
2013-02-06, 21:28 | Link #120 | |
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That said, whether it's wise or not is besides the point imo. You gotta try. If you don't, nothing will change. That's also pretty much a fact of life.
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