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2011-11-30, 11:07 | Link #4523 |
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Girls in anime seem to connect... way too easily. I've seen so many animes where two girls, meeting for the very first time, will say "Let's be friends!" and then they're friends. No consideration to be incompatible or anything, they just become friends because they declare it.
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Yup, but we see developement with most of the other cast when they're joined the heroes. Everyone loved Fate after a long introduction period aided by Nanoha. The Wolkenritter first clashed weapons with the girls before bonding with them, Hayate bonds with Suzuka first and then meets with Nanoha and Fate but only became best friends AFTER the Book of Darkness incident. The forwards get a somewhat free pass for being kids and the old cast being caring mentors to them(and even then they only bond with Nanoha and Fate at first, their relationship with other memeber of the cast is more military professional until latter chapters). Not all the numbers were instantly liked by the heroes and they go rehab before bonding with most of them(the first being Ginga). I accept Tsuzuki attempted to give some background-ish flashbacks about Subaru and Tohma bu that didn't cover up for the fact that when he finally meet with the good guys everyone is like "hey, it's Tohma! Remeber Tohma? He's our best friend in the world! let's hug him!", compared with the other more developed relationships this feels kinds like out nowhere. It's not terribly jarring, i still think Tohma is an ok character, but is still a bit unsettling.
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2011-11-30, 11:35 | Link #4525 |
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I still don't agree with the sentiment that the other sudden relations in Nanoha were somehow better developed. Particularly in Hayate's en Einhart's case, it was pretty much an "ohai, friends now? Cool." kind of thing. Miura is quickly going down that route as well "Yeah, we only heard about you from people we know and never actually met in person, but we're still going to send you an encouragement before your fight!"
Not to say this is bad, but you can accept all that and have problems with Thoma? I'm sorry, but I cannot help but sense bias here. |
2011-11-30, 11:40 | Link #4526 | |
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2011-11-30, 11:47 | Link #4527 |
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I'm not biased against Tohma, really, i don't like him either but so far think he just kind of "exist". To be fair Hayate is a very social person(what about adopting four messengers of doom as your family xD?), and if Einhart was well received it was thanks to Vivio and Nove who make the effort to introduce her to the other characters, it also helps that Einhart is an outstanding fighter, which is something other girl fighters like Rio and Corona find exciting and interesting and thus more motivated to open to Einhart.
I can't deny that you're right on Miura, tough. Even i was surprised at first because she appears and suddenly everyone knows who she is and likes her. The only difference, of course, is that i myself like Miura, heh.
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2011-11-30, 11:54 | Link #4528 | |
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2011-11-30, 12:39 | Link #4529 | |
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2011-11-30, 13:19 | Link #4530 |
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Actually, the problem is not that most fans like girls and yuri. Its that the series is marketed at males and so they force feed us excessive females. (sister princess?) Then we have the whole problem of 'Damn that's like 30 asexual characters. No love life at all. We've seen them grow up to our ages and nothing' at that point if not sooner, we are forced into yuri.
Weakness in story telling that also forces us to believe mid-childa is an amazoness world with a single city.
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2011-11-30, 15:46 | Link #4532 |
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To be fair, Tohma's relationship with Lily seems to be more straightforward than previous male-female ones in the frnachise. Unlike Yuuno he's a determined boy that, while gently, is also angry at various aspects of his life and channel that anger into fuel his motivation to cintinue living as himself, in resume, he's a more agressive character and that helps to erase that image of "men are the weak sex in the Nanohaverse". Also, unlike Chrono, is a main character which guarantees he will always receive some decent amount of focus from time to time which will help to(arguably, it depends on Tsuzuki's writing skills) flesh out his developement and relationship with other characters more.
One needs to be blind to not be aware of all the teasing Tsuzuki is making around those two, inner bonding, engage ring, engage suit(black for the male, white for the female), needing Lily to be "himself". Of course, knowing Tsuzuki, this probably will never reach official status but the hints are there. Also, so far, Isis seems to care deeply for both of them like a big sis or something which fits with Tsuzuki's writing style as i think he would prefer to avoid the whole "Love Triangle" thing. By the way, i don't know why but i have the arkward feeling that Veyron and Curren could make a good couple(well, as "good" as a couple of serial killers can be xDU).
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2011-11-30, 15:50 | Link #4533 |
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Well there's no real marketing reason not to make it official. I doubt that many fans are clamoring for Isis/Lily.
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People only assume there's going to be a romance between them because he's a boy and she's a girl. They've shown no such interest in each other.
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Not yet, and probably never gonna happen, but one can deny the insane amount of "bridal" imagery and simbolism surrounding the duo. I'm pretty sure we will never get to see images of Chrono, Yuuno or Zafira in a tuxedo carrying a girl dressed as a bride xDU.
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2011-11-30, 16:01 | Link #4536 | |
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He doesn't necessarily have to be bitter and angry to want revenge over something. So far he's more Shirou than Van from Gun X Sword. If he is hiding those things and suddenly goes ballistic, that sounds kind of asspully the way things are going.
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2011-11-30, 16:18 | Link #4537 | |
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Like Raiser said, is very improbable, the story didn't allow for romantic developement, if some romance ever is explored i think it will be kind of a "Macross Romance" or a "Gundam" one, something like "our hearts find comfort in each other and togheter gather strenght to survive this difficult times of war" or something like that.
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2011-11-30, 16:25 | Link #4538 |
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So, a canonical one? That's what most romances in Gundam and Macross are, for better or worse.
And yeah it did, but it also put him in a coma shortly afterward. He wasn't willingly fighting anyone for the most part. |
2011-11-30, 16:29 | Link #4539 | |
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Agreed, but the point is, we learned that Tohma is also screwed up to some degree, we learned about the existence of the pain and anger inside his heart.
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