New Code Geass Project Launched

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

oh dont worry
he'll be plenty epic
being a large ham and being a super genius is not the same
shnizel is Lelouch level smart, but isn't "epic" at all
and this new guy isn't up against Lelouch, but against an imposter who's in way over his head
zero is suppose to be a brilliant strategist, a charismatic leader and a political genius
suzaku is a glorified pilot
it doesn't take someone of Lelouch's level of genius to show him up like a punk
at least at first

As I said, it's perfectly fine for a fanfic, but not at all what I want to find in the series itself. If they want to bring Clovis back from the dead to take over the world, though...
Mh, oh well. Let's just agree that we have different tastes in sequels.

you missed the point
suzaku has a duty to take care of any problem that comes along and endangers the peace
a problem comes along and endangers the peace
now suzaku has to take care of it

But if there is no problem, he doesn't need to take care of it.
And if there is one, I don't want to know about it, as I'd never get into some "let's destroy world peace for The Truth, and by the way, Suzaku, I hate you!" guy.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

As I said, it's perfectly fine for a fanfic, but not at all what I want to find in the series itself. If they want to bring Clovis back from the dead to take over the world, though...
Mh, oh well. Let's just agree that we have different tastes in sequels.

that one's not an argument
but like i said, i dont have time to write a fanfic

But if there is no problem, he doesn't need to take care of it.

yes
and WHEN there is a problem, he'll have to
comes with the mask
because the possibility that there would be no problems ever, is none existent
i just give him a serious problem to solve so he can actually EARN the title of hero, instead of staying what he is
a villain with good publicity

And if there is one, I don't want to know about it, as I'd never get into some "let's destroy world peace for The Truth, and by the way, Suzaku, I hate you!" guy.

your not ment to get into bad guy
he's the bad guy
suzaku is still the protagonist

[Laurcus]

Well if this villain is epic, but not really that tough, just good enough to beat Suzaku, then it seems like it's kind of a fake sort of epic. If this guy seems grandiose but can't back that up with real power than it just seems like all he's good for is talking shit.

*Hopes he doesn't offend anyone with this* Anyone remember Seshomaru from Inuyasha? He always seemed super strong and he carried himself with the same kind of confidance that Byakuya or Aizen has. BUT when it came time for him to fight, he was usually the one to be face first in the dirt. Like in his fight with Inuyasha where he lost his arm, or that time Naraku nearly killed him.

When a villain seems incredible, but doesn't have the raw power to go with that, it just kind of dimisnishes it to me.

*trys to bring his post back on topic* Therefore! Whatever many forms this new code geass project takes, I hope and pray that it has a good villain.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Laurcus

Well if this villain is epic, but not really that tough, just good enough to beat Suzaku, then it seems like it's kind of a fake sort of epic. If this guy seems grandiose but can't back that up with real power than it just seems like all he's good for is talking shit.

When a villain seems incredible, but doesn't have the raw power to go with that, it just kind of dimisnishes it to me.

*trys to bring his post back on topic* Therefore! Whatever many forms this new code geass project takes, I hope and pray that it has a good villain.

Lelouch had no toughness at all
didn't make him any less epic
this bad guy IS very good, but suzaku has more then just the lancelot on his side
he's got the entire world backing him up
the bad guy is at a disadvantage, which is why he uses a lot of psych warfare against suzaku
even the strongest enemy, can be beaten if you break their spirit

[Laurcus]

Lelouch had no physical toughness, but he had strength of a different kind and it was no less real. His intellect alone could be considered a "super power*.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Laurcus

Lelouch had no physical toughness, but he had strength of a different kind and it was no less real. His intellect alone could be considered a "super power*.

and this new guy is not much worse then Lelouch
he's just against a much harder target (the entire world supports zero to a greater or lesser degree)
Lelouch could inspire people to follow him because britannia was hated
zero is loved by all, so recruiting people against him is kinda hard

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

your not ment to get into bad guy

Since when?
Some of the most adored characters of all are villains. They don't have to be morally correct, but it can't hurt if they are able to make the viewers love them. With Lelouch gone, the fans need someone they can cheer for instead - Suzaku is great and all, but he's nothing new, nothing that will be able to fill the hole Lelouch left.

[Laurcus]

Fair enough, i'm just saying that I want a great villain. Schneizel seemed kind of weak to me in the last few episodes of R2. I hope they don't repeat that mistake in future CG projects. And as for your "fanfic" (for lack of a better term) I can't say without seeing the whole thing played out if he would be what I consider to be a good villain.

[Laurcus]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

Since when?
Some of the most adored characters of all are villains. They don't have to be morally correct, but it can't hurt if they are able to make the viewers love them. With Lelouch gone, the fans need someone they can cheer for instead - Suzaku is great and all, but he's nothing new, nothing that will be able to fill the hole Lelouch left.

Ya gotta love the villain right! Some villains are just so deliciously evil and cool that you can't help but cheer for them.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

Since when?
Some of the most adored characters of all are villains. They don't have to be morally correct, but it can't hurt if they are able to make the viewers love them. With Lelouch gone, the fans need someone they can cheer for instead - Suzaku is great and all, but he's nothing new, nothing that will be able to fill the hole Lelouch left.

your still not suppose to cheer for the villain against the hero in the end
not if the villain is actually.. you know... a bad guy
and not if the hero is a character you actually care about

dont get me wrong, i know what you are getting it
but like i said, the story would be less "GSD" and more "DTB sesaon2"
more character driven then just shock value
more like season 1 then season 2

Originally Posted by Laurcus

Fair enough, i'm just saying that I want a great villain. Schneizel seemed kind of weak to me in the last few episodes of R2. I hope they don't repeat that mistake in future CG projects. And as for your "fanfic" (for lack of a better term) I can't say without seeing the whole thing played out if he would be what I consider to be a good villain.

i can give you the cliff notes (it would take a while though)

[stardrago]

Like I said before I kinda hope it is a remake for it, like add more scenes from the sound episodes and pictue dramas which means longer episodes, also scenes from the game Lost Colors; during the epilogue of R2 the pictures Kallen had one of them showed Milly, Shirley, and Nina in there kimonos during a fireworks display, which in the game showed the group at a hotsprings resort, which would make a good episode.
And maybe have more of Lelouch's harem, perhaps they will keep him becoming emperor and already found some of his wives, hopefully, and if they still plan for him to die in the end I hope they show him having kids before it happens.

[Badkarma 1]

First off I was never attempting to push you out of the thread Nogi! And we're getting a little carried away here bashing one anothers ideas!
I could really get into Blades storyline as I myself am a veteran of the 'War on Terror' and can relate to those who fight only to be forgotten or worse ostrcised by their own people. Just look how both Vietnam and Korean War vets were treated!
Second: Nogi I understand your passion for Lelouch and a few times I too felt sorry for the guy especially when ever he showed compassion toward his friends only to be beaten by the Brits for this.
However to believe that all the evil in the world is gone because he did what he did is simply naive. In any event whatever happens happens and we are all here to just air our ideas of what we'd all like to see happen in the next installment of Code Geass be it good,bad,or indiffernt.

[Neku]

Whoa. Awesome.

Fullmetal Geass Ninja.
Whatever. More C.C is good. Hopefully they talk more about Geass and her origins too.

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

your still not suppose to cheer for the villain against the hero in the end

o____O
But one can, no?

[stardrago]

By the way, when does the new manga of Code Geass be released anyway?

[Badkarma 1]

Originally Posted by Neku

Whoa. Awesome.

Fullmetal Geass Ninja.
Whatever. More C.C is good. Hopefully they talk more about Geass and her origins too.



o____O
But one can, no?

Yeah,I agree more C.C. would be nice. Also I've been wandering that despite all the attention Lelouch has been getting,that maybe just maybe C.C. Is the REAL protagonist of Code Geass? And Lelouch was just her puppet?
Any thoughts folks?

[TrueElements]

Ive been busy with school so haven't been on.

Have I missed anything big?

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by TrueElements

Ive been busy with school so haven't been on.

Have I missed anything big?

Not a whole lot. There was an announcement of an upcoming manga that will take place about 500 years in the past and will be in the CG canon. And there hasn't been any confirmation yet, but it's looking more and more likely that we'll see a new Code Geass anime.

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

your still not suppose to cheer for the villain against the hero in the end
not if the villain is actually.. you know... a bad guy
and not if the hero is a character you actually care about

Hum, well, it depends.
More often than not, I wouldn't want to have to pick, which is why I'm always happy when an awesome villain sees The Light and switches sides. And I think I'm far from the only one there.

dont get me wrong, i know what you are getting it
but like i said, the story would be less "GSD" and more "DTB sesaon2"
more character driven then just shock value
more like season 1 then season 2

My problem is that for a series to be character driven, there has to be potential for character development. Just making Suzaku have doubts (again) won't be enough.
However, the bad guys you describe seem pretty set in their ways and remind me a bit of the way Sasuke is currently acting in Naruto, which is not very exciting. But of course, that's only how it goes in my head. I can't really judge something like that without having seen it all play out.

i can give you the cliff notes (it would take a while though)

Aw, thank you, but don't trouble yourself because of me. Maybe you'll have the time to write that fic one day, after all.

Originally Posted by Badkarma 1

And we're getting a little carried away here bashing one anothers ideas!

There was (not Zero Requiem focused) bashing ? o.o

Second: Nogi I understand your passion for Lelouch and a few times I too felt sorry for the guy especially when ever he showed compassion toward his friends only to be beaten by the Brits for this.
However to believe that all the evil in the world is gone because he did what he did is simply naive.

Well, tell that to Okouchi, who not only believes both Lelouch's decision and ending to be happy ones and that his loved ones will face a better tomorrow, but also said that Lelouch was smiling at the end because he made the kind world that he envisioned a reality.
Schneizel would have created a world without war, yet Okouchi calls Lelouch a hero and strongly implies that his "tomorrow" will bring more happiness to the people than Schneizel's "today".
No one said all evil was gone from the world. However, a new threat arising just after Lelouch's death, considering the epilogue and what little Okouchi has said on the matter, is very unlikely. I'm certainly not naive for believing that fiction does not have to be realistic.
And yes, I adore Lelouch and quite a lot of other characters, but that doesn't mean I can't take them getting screwed over by life. It's just that there's a very clear line for me between what happened to Lelouch so far, and what relativizing Zero Requiem would mean at this point.

[Badkarma 1]

Nogitsune; Well maybe bashing was not correct so let's just say a very spirited debate between you and Blade!
Thanks for setting me straight on the naivity thing, if given the opportunity I WOULD love to debate the Zero Requiem with Okouchi! As I hold that the premises of Code
Geass was chooseing the lesser of two evils not who's idea was better!
So how would you like to see the new Geass turn out?

[Xander]

Introducing complications that make Zero Requiem fail or at least stumble some time after the show's finale wouldn't be going against the spirit of Lelouch's ideal, considering he believes that people will continue to struggle for their own future and their own happiness. Lelouch trusts that Suzaku and the others will do so, according to Okouchi.

This world isn't meant to be frozen in time, which is what would have happened if Charles (literally) or Schneizel (figuratively) had accomplished their respective goals.

In other words, the new "kind world" can and will collapse if there isn't a permanent effort to keep it going. That being the case, challenges wouldn't be out of the question. The devil lies in the details though, so whether or not this concept is put in practice well enough as part of a new project is something none of us know.