2010-04-11, 14:50 | Link #7262 | |
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Personally, getting rid of the nobility does not make you unpopular with the people as can be seen with the French, and the only people who hated the end of the Samurai where the Samurai themselves. |
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2010-04-11, 16:27 | Link #7263 | |
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Plus, everything is a chain. It affects everyone and not just some. Most people in a society are used to have it as it is and don't really like changes, not even if they are for their own merit. |
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2010-04-11, 16:47 | Link #7264 |
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I only recall it being mentioned that the rest of the world approved of Lelouch's original changes. Nothing was said about the general population of Britannia itself.
We do know that numerous nobles were objecting violently to the abolishment of their titles, as Jeremiah came in saying that he had finished subduing an Earl and his forces, with Lelouch laughing about how "unpopular" he was. This at least implies that the nobles had a fair share of people under them who disapproved of Lelouch's changes. They could have just been bribed, but going against the Emperor of Britannia himself would be a very risky thing to do, implying that they may have believed in the previous system very strongly. I'd imagine people like Viletta would be upset as well, as nobility was something to strive for. The loss of nobility was likely akin to destroying the dreams of many people. Lastly, we don't see nobles abusing the commoners the same way Britannians abuse Numbers. Even though nobles would be considered "better" than commoners, there is still a difference between this and seeing a group as second class citizens. This would mean there was less tension between the social classes. |
2010-04-11, 17:32 | Link #7265 | |
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So what kind of political system is the world left with at the end of the series? From aristocracy to totalitarian monocracy? |
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2010-04-12, 15:49 | Link #7266 | |
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p.s. If the answer was mentioned somewhere in canon - just sorry, Ive never seen. |
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2010-04-13, 21:56 | Link #7267 |
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That system is not only unstable but not very effective. Britannia had a very radical switch in national policy from one of aggressive expansionism to solving hunger and peace. All those factories that once produced Sutherlands, weapons, planes etc to fuel the endless conflicts would have to lay off workers, or shut down. The army would have to be reduced from millions to a couple hundred thousand, so all those soldiers would be coming home to unemployment. Add to that those nobles that went into hiding to bid their time...There's bound to be someone out there just as intelligent as Schneizel and Lelouch, who is not happy with this new direction . Getting an army would be very easy, and revolution/civil war would be right around the corner.
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2010-04-14, 02:01 | Link #7268 |
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So, maybe the only chance for the new world order to survive... that Suzaku would command Schneizel "to deal with this" (economics, social problems etc). He looks a lot more competent in such a questions than any other of survived characters =)
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2010-04-14, 04:17 | Link #7269 | |
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thats why Lelouch geassed him in the first place he needed someone to help suzaku deal with all the shit that follows his death
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2010-04-14, 05:08 | Link #7270 |
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So, does this mean that he didn't believe in the story about a possibility to gain an age of peace by sacrificing himself? It was a play for Nunnally to convince her that Lelouch wasn't simple tired from life, his mistakes etc suicide-boy (or finished project, he have destroyed old Britannina, overwhelmed every interesting enemy, nothing to do on Earth anymore) ? Looks like a typical Zero-planned operation to make the world believe in something =) Kallen and her supporters in community cried a river about never to come kalulu future, but Lelouch himself lol'd in the grave... Im very sad and going to play russian roulette to know is there a reason to live in such a world or not =(
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2010-04-14, 05:58 | Link #7271 |
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So... it is a world where Lelouch gave up on life, created mizery for billions, ordered to be murdered because he was not able to do it himself, his useless sister rules, counseled by his thralled brother who is a slave to his killer, who is impersonating him to fool the world, while all his ex allies know the truth.
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2010-04-14, 12:53 | Link #7273 | |
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So let's just stop kicking the dog already.
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2010-04-14, 12:56 | Link #7274 | |
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...Could we at least stop pretending the ending came about because Lelouch was being an idiot? Okouchi seemed to think it's totally awesome. When I watch anime, I don't care so much about the realism as about the symbolism, and while the majority of people here obviously disagrees, I believe the ending is a very nice one. "The only ones allowed to shoot are the ones prepared to be shot" - that's the kind of person Lelouch was. A peace treaty wouldn't have fit. At all. Lelouch and Suzaku set out to "break the never ending chain of hated", not to become the second Relena Peacecraft.
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2010-04-14, 13:26 | Link #7275 | |
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[Relena was a fool? I'm not so sure about that, but, hum, wrong forum. xD] Geass cult... I'd rather talk about Clovis, but all right. xD *slowly backs out*
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I have never seen any evidence that Zero Requiem wasn't one of the best, if not the best, option Lelouch could have picked in the CG universe to establish world peace (that is, from the POV of the creators), so if you make such a claim, please give at least one example. Quote:
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2010-04-14, 14:14 | Link #7277 | |
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The ending, from a cynical, realistic and materialistic perspective, is a complete waste of time. Zero Requiem will, even in the best case scenario, only result in a temporary peace. I don't think anyone who tries to think about these matters seriously can possibly deny that. However...Lelouch, as a protagonist, and Code Geass, as a story, are actually all about idealism. Think about it. On the most basic level, the important thing for Lelouch was to create a world where Nunnally could live happily and without being mistreated. The new status quo, even if it is a fragile one that cannot possibly last, was created for the purposes of accomplishing this. That's the main idea. Even if everything could crumble afterwards, depending on how those who are left deal with the situation, the point is that Lelouch was successful. In a way, it's more of a Pyrrhic victory than anything else, but that's what makes it attractive from a symbolic, emotional and literary perspective in spite of its critical flaws. The best stories, naturally, are those that work both ways, but Code Geass is interesting enough for what it is. Last edited by Xander; 2010-04-14 at 15:48. |
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2010-04-14, 14:24 | Link #7279 |
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*nods happily at Xander*
Yep, taking away everyone's free will would have been so much more awesome. It would also have fit incredibly well with Lelouch's beliefs and his reasons for rejecting Damocles and Ragnaro-... oh, wait.
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2010-04-14, 14:45 | Link #7280 | |
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I can almost picture it: people sitting around staring into nothingness all day, with a big stupid grin on their face. They wouldn't work, maybe not even eat, and just be happy until the day they die. It's a rather creepy thought.
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