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But of course, that doesn't mean sick perverts like the Orochimaru's out there can't manipulate the corpse of a person with a Kekkei Genkai and twist it into some design of their own. Yamato would be an example, and the same reason why Hizashi had to die for the Main house, because the Cloud country wanted Hiashi's body as payment for killing the ambassador or whatever who tried to kidnap Hinata (when they only wanted his body to study/disect it for the Byakugan). Kakashi's another example of this also but the circumstances of him obtaining Sharingan is clearly less perverse.
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2009-01-06, 13:10 | Link #205 |
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I like him also. I think his Kekkei Genkai is the most interesting to come along before Rinnegan and is the basis for why I started this thread so long ago.
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2009-01-06, 13:28 | Link #207 | |
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Starting with Senju Hashirama's unique Mokuton as we can see from his experiments done on Yamato, to other individuals under him like the extraction of Jugo's cursed seal (which may or may not be a Kekkai Genkai), some of the sound four members and notably Sakon/Ukon for their Soma no Ko who were the strongest below Kimimaro, to Kimimaro himself and his Shikotsumyaku who would've been Orochimaru's container had he not been terminally ill and finally Sasuke himself who he coveted for his Sharingan after having been toyed around by Itachi when Orochimaru tried to abduct him and failed. There are probably more examples that I can't think of at the moment but Orochimaru's whole transference jutsu has more to do with just immortality, but being able to use the unique people and their bodies for their bloodline traits that he seems to covet for their power.
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And yes, Yamato was one of Orochimaru's early experiments that he believed a failure (along with the rest of the infants that he experimented on by injecting Shodai's DNA with) and that they all died after he had to abandon the experiment when he fled Konoha, but recanted when he encountered Tenzou/Yamato on the bridge after the Gaara Rescue arc.
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2009-01-08, 14:47 | Link #212 |
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I guess it's subjective. Perhaps not trying to be a literal ruler of everything but he seemed to want to be on "top" of everything. Unequaled, so-to-speak.
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At least, that was always my phychoanalysis of Orochimaru's fucked up exixtence . |
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No, I think he wanted to learn all the jutsu and thus needed to lengthen his lifespan by switching bodies, needed Sharingan to learn the jutsus faster and of course he wanted to live forever. He had experienced the death of his parents at young age and he saw the white snake as a symbol of... I forgot ^^. Hmm maybe you are right aswell, but he was definitely after all the jutsus in the world and he was after Sharingan (Itachi/Sasuke). He also was after Kekkei Genkai in general (Kimimaro, various experiments, even on himself). Will he ever return? Will the world be ready for him?
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2009-01-08, 16:44 | Link #216 | |
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That being said, the Rinnegan seems to only let the individual learn a jutsu (i.e. the body has all affinities, so no real training is required to master elemental affinities), but not automatically copy the jutsu. So, in that respect, it is weaker than the Sharingan, but stronger since all jutsu are automatically open for use, even if they have to be learned first. |
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Also, I think Oro could've replicated the rinnegan's elemental abilities with his experiments. |
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2009-01-08, 16:54 | Link #218 |
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^The only confirmed meeting between Orochimaru and Nagato was when Nagato and the Ame-Orphans were little kids (during the 2nd Great Shinobi War). During that encounter Nagato did not use the Rinnegan, and later on, Pain did not use the Yahiko body when talking to his subordinates. So, it is unknown if Oorchimaru ever knew he was working with someone he knew from back in Ame during the 2nd war.
(It is possible, though, that Orochimaru did recognize Konan through the holographic projections.) Also, Orochimaru could have replicated the innegan's basic ability (all elemental affinities) by simply coming up with a Kakuzu-esque solution - take the affinity from others and then implant it into himself (maybe this was one of the reasons for the Yamato/Mokuton experiments). |
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I think Rin'negan can't copy ninjutsu, so I guess it's just not Orochimaru's taste, no matter what it can do. Orochimaru is also pretty narcistic and maybe he only wanted his only body. He turned other bodies into his own after all. Why should he bother if he wouldn't care? No no, he always bothered and changed the face into his.
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