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[aliasxn]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Touma is starting to look like a monster despite being a level 0.

Please explain.

[Seihai]

Originally Posted by Avegaille

Spoiler for Some Illustrations... and other thoughts:

I call h4x!
How did it end up like this?
I wish my life were as misfortunate. LOL

And I totally agree with Toma being a monster, but maybe in different meanings.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by aliasxn

Please explain.

well because of this

Originally Posted by AlaAlba

Spoiler for pics:

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by aliasxn

Please explain.

Just like Biri Biri Vision can skew Mikoto's senses of Touma to be GAR, Accelerator Vision in despair mode would be unrealiable.

Though Touma would say he deserves an Oscar for his acting ability.

[zero_nmc]

Touma is transformed into a demon ajajajja XD

but, I have a question

Haramuza reason why he has traveled to Russia

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Redemption? or Good is Dumb?

When LO first appeared according to the data she recieved and based on her interpretation he is not a total psychotic bastard to the Sisters as everyone perceives.

Mikoto and Touma would like to disagree on that.

Touma can trust and forgive him(it won't be the first time he does that), in the other hand, is Mikoto the only one who would disagree.

[AlaAlba]

Originally Posted by zero_nmc

Touma is transformed into a demon ajajajja XD

but, I have a question

Haramuza reason why he has traveled to Russia

Spoiler for hama:

in Aleister's plan Hamazura should already be dead in vol 15, but instead as a level 0 he beat level 5 alone. so to Aleister he became a "irregular factor that cant be tolerated anymore" so he decided to erase hamazura.
Aleiester really want to see him dead (this can be seen by how the academy city sent the 6 wing only to kill hamazura in vol 19)
so hamazura fled from the city by a supersonic transport plane he found in the underground in "Fighter Research and Examination" room. the pilot was automatic pilot.
well both he and takitsubo dont know how to land the plane so they dropped out by parachute, and land in Russia/Ellizarina, coincidentally.


I dont like this three main guy the author are using, I want to see Hamazura dies

[tsunade666]

I also don't like hama. He should just die. Just add rikuo to the other 2 as harem. Though I don't know much about this guy beside that his one of the touma punch and got himself a girl thingy.

[AlaAlba]

yeah *nods*. after vol 15 or so suddenly he have his role bigger and bigger. I can only think the editor asks the author to give hamazura more role after vol 15, only to make to aru longer and thicker(as a book).

Spoiler for vol 20, Touma's eyes:

as to why Touma's left eye is flashing, I think there re no special reason for it, the artist want to show it more dramatically I think.
from a blog I read: Accel guessed wrong about why Touma can keep alive after all his brutal attacks(debris attack, tens of stakes attack, 100 wings attack).
he guessed Touma can see/view the sign of where his enemy would attack, and also that Touma does it without thinking.
later he realized he was wrong, that it was because Touma's spirit of never give up and found his fear(?) after Touma keep standing up after beaten hard.

that pic there is when Touma stands up after his 100 wings attack I guess

[tsunade666]

where do you guys get those info? I was surfing the net since vol 20 is out but still no luck. Tried 4chan but too little info. Its alright if its japanase. Though I can't read it I'll ask someone to do it

Hama isn't cool his kinda lame from skill out underling to skill out leader like for a day or two or is it even a week? To underling of ITEM too a main guy suddenly..... with lots of appearance on SS. I totally doesn't see any cool on this guy. He looks week and lame unlike Accel and Touma.

[Marcus H.]

Well, for the first time, I've been seeing 3 main male protagonists being the hero on their own separate ways: Touma for pretty much anything, Accelerator for his (beloved) brat, and Hamazura for Rikou. I can say I'm looking forward to how this works out.

[stillmissing]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

When LO first appeared according to the data she recieved and based on her interpretation he is not a total psychotic bastard to the Sisters as everyone perceives.

Mikoto and Touma would like to disagree on that. .

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Touma can trust and forgive him(it won't be the first time he does that), in the other hand, is Mikoto the only one who would disagree.

I don't know about that. Off the top of my head, I can't remember Mikoto ever giving Accelerator a second thought after the end of the Sisters arc. To be sure, when she witnessed him killing 9982 in Railgun, she tried to kill him. But past that point, her attention turned elsewhere, and the role he occupied was simply that of an insurmountable obstacle in the way of her objective of saving her sisters. And even when Touma brought the notion of "defeating" him back onto the table, neither of them even considered killing him. And after it was over her thoughts were about her Sisters' continued well being and her gratitude towards Touma for his role in saving them.

And anyway, she didn't place the blame for the massacres on the scientists, who created the experiment, nor on the administrators who approved it all and covered it up, and no, not even on Accelerator who carried them out. Mikoto placed the blame squarely on her own shoulders and bore the burden of thousands of deaths as if she herself had killed them. The issue is that Mikoto is one of those characters who is "too good". She should have hated the scientists, she should have hated the administrators, and she should have hated Accelerator, but ultimately, she only hated herself.

Despite her mask of cynicism, Mikoto is ultimately as much a starry eyed idealist as Touma. And just like him, she desperately wants to see the best in others. Having said that, could she ever trust Accelerator? Presumably we mean could she trust him to protect Last Order and the other Sisters? It would be a hard sell, to be sure unless she actually saw him risking his life for Last Order or the others. But if the explanation were to come out of Last Order's mouth rather than his, it's not all that unlikely honestly. I don't think he could, or honestly would even try, to communicate his feelings and intentions properly.

Ultimately though, this is probably all academic. The amount of time the two of them have interacted in their lifetimes is measured in minutes. And I don't really see any indication that this is going to change much. Within the scope of the series, Mikoto is a character in Touma's story, and she really isn't part of Accelerator's story.

[giorno]

Originally Posted by AlaAlba

Spoiler:

she goes there to fight Fianma who have the index-remote-control, or more likely to fight Misha. Fianma plans to calls gabriel again in misha(?) to reverse the ww3 (the academic city is leading the war atm)
that makes: magically made angel vs scientifically made angel

wait a minute there

Spoiler:

wouldn't summoning Gabriel into Sasha be kinda dangerous for Fiamma(and the world at large)? Does he have a mean to control it, or is he doing it out of desperation? also, i heard the fuze=kazakiri vs misha(gabriel) fight was planned by Aleister? how is kazakiri going to match something that can reduce half of earth to ashes with one word though?

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

where do you guys get those info? I was surfing the net since vol 20 is out but still no luck. Tried 4chan but too little info. Its alright if its japanase. Though I can't read it I'll ask someone to do it

Hama isn't cool his kinda lame from skill out underling to skill out leader like for a day or two or is it even a week? To underling of ITEM too a main guy suddenly..... with lots of appearance on SS. I totally doesn't see any cool on this guy. He looks week and lame unlike Accel and Touma.

Nahh,No h4x, no overpowered, just happens he is too normal for you :P.

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Well, for the first time, I've been seeing 3 main male protagonists being the hero on their own separate ways: Touma for pretty much anything, Accelerator for his (beloved) brat, and Hamazura for Rikou. I can say I'm looking forward to how this works out.

I can't hate one of them, each one doing theri thing using different ways, bonus points for Hamazura because at least she has someone to love .

Originally Posted by stillmissing

And anyway, she didn't place the blame for the massacres on the scientists, who created the experiment, nor on the administrators who approved it all and covered it up, and no, not even on Accelerator who carried them out. Mikoto placed the blame squarely on her own shoulders and bore the burden of thousands of deaths as if she herself had killed them. The issue is that Mikoto is one of those characters who is "too good". She should have hated the scientists, she should have hated the administrators, and she should have hated Accelerator, but ultimately, she only hated herself.

Despite her mask of cynicism, Mikoto is ultimately as much a starry eyed idealist as Touma. And just like him, she desperately wants to see the best in others. Having said that, could she ever trust Accelerator? Presumably we mean could she trust him to protect Last Order and the other Sisters? It would be a hard sell, to be sure unless she actually saw him risking his life for Last Order or the others. But if the explanation were to come out of Last Order's mouth rather than his, it's not all that unlikely honestly. I don't think he could, or honestly would even try, to communicate his feelings and intentions properly.

Didn't she said that the experiment and the people behind it weres fucked to the core??

Ultimately though, this is probably all academic. The amount of time the two of them have interacted in their lifetimes is measured in minutes. And I don't really see any indication that this is going to change much. Within the scope of the series, Mikoto is a character in Touma's story, and she really isn't part of Accelerator's story.

I don't know very well, but Mikoto is going to Russia , again on her own(and sure we know how ends the things were she tries to do that way), because wants to protect the people she cares from a possilble threament of missiles from Russia, the connection between Mikoto and Accelerator is the sisters which both of them cares a lot, even risking their lives. But she doesn't know that Accelerator, the guy who killed 10000+ of them, has "changed" after the end of the experiment and changed his view of the things. Is not a coincidence she is going to the same place where Accelerator who is just with one of the sisters.
How do you think is going to react to the situation? "Oh!, Accelerator-kun good job for taking good care of my clones! Thank you very much!" .... I don't think so .

Meanwhile in the pther hand, putting aside her feelings, the connection between Touma and Mikoto is because of the promise he made to Etzali, protect the world around her, but for Touma with promise or without it, he always will protect the people around Mikoto and the people around the people he did'm meet yet. Thats Touma, the guy with a hero syndrome, its not like he has an interest beyond that.

[Marcus H.]

Spoiler for yipes!:

Aaaaand does Gabriel appearing again mean that Angel Fall is gonna happen again? Well, poor Gabriel did get shoved back to Earth from Heaven.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Spoiler for yipes!:

Aaaaand does Gabriel appearing again mean that Angel Fall is gonna happen again? Well, poor Gabriel did get shoved back to Earth from Heaven.

Spoiler for lol:

"Someone" in the heaven isn't going to be very happy of that.

[stillmissing]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Didn't she said that the experiment and the people behind it weres fucked to the core??

She said they were rotten to have carried out such a thing, yes.

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

the connection between Mikoto and Accelerator is the sisters which both of them cares a lot, even risking their lives.

It's true, and they could interact more on this basis, but so far there's been no indication of it. With recent events, I had thought it might come up, if she were dragged into it due to what was happening to Last Order,

Spoiler for recent events:

but the possibility a new network, and possibly a new administrator, makes that far more unlikely.

As for Mikoto, even with Kamachi's promise of her playing an important role in the coming events, not to mention the memory subplot he has been setting up for several volumes, her role in the story continues to be defined by her interactions with and her relationship with Touma, rather than with the events occurring in the plot. That's simply the kind of heroine she is in the context of this story, and that's the role Kamachi has given her. While the Railgun manga ultimately exists to show the other aspects of Mikoto.

Spoiler for vol 20:

Her running into Touma in Russia is effectively a certainty. Her encountering Accelerator is far less likely.

[Marcus H.]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Spoiler for lol:

"Someone" in the heaven isn't going to be very happy of that.

Spoiler for :P:

God: Okay, attendance. Uriel?
Uriel: Present!
God: Michael?
Michael: Here.
God: Raphael?
Raphael: Present.
God: Gabriel?
....

God: He's absent again? What's he up to nowadays?
Raphael: It's not up, sir. *Points down*
God:
Uriel: Someone pulled him down again to Earth.
Michael: Should we blame Aiwass this time?
God: *facepalm*

[Miraluka]

Spoiler for hentai kamen returns:

Originally Posted by stillmissing

Spoiler for vol 20:

Her running into Touma in Russia is effectively a certainty. Her encountering Accelerator is far less likely.

Spoiler:

Did you forgot the times both, Accelerator and Touma crossed paths along the series? Each one never noticed who was the other. Then, so the same can happen with Mikoto meeting with Touma(49%) but I bet for Accelerator(51%) because he knows about the new stock of clones and the one who can break into Academy City to save them from their fate is her. Touma has too much magic side business to deal with them this time.

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Spoiler for :P:

God: Okay, attendance. Uriel?
Uriel: Present!
God: Michael?
Michael: Here.
God: Raphael?
Raphael: Present.
God: Gabriel?
....

God: He's absent again? What's he up to nowadays?
Raphael: It's not up, sir. *Points down*
God:
Uriel: Someone pulled him down to Earth, again.
Michael: Should we blame Aiwass this time? *A*
Jesus Christ: -______-;;;;
God: *facepalm*

I changed somethings but this one really needs a doujin or something like that

[stillmissing]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Spoiler:

Did you forgot the times both, Accelerator and Touma crossed paths along the series? Each one never noticed who was the other. Then, so the same can happen with Mikoto meeting with Touma(49%) but I bet for Accelerator(51%) because he knows about the new stock of clones and the one who can break into Academy City to save them from their fate is her. Touma has too much magic side business to deal with them this time.

The "two ships in the night" scenario? Well, that's less likely. Kamachi was always teasing with Touma and Accelerator meeting up again, but that's meaningless for Mikoto and Touma. They meet all the time so there's no suspense to that.

And while Mikoto was assigned the role of the main heroine of the science side, whenever the story focuses on Accelerator, she might as well not exist. That's why some fans occasionally joke about her being supplanted by Last Order. Though they throw similar mean spirited jokes about Itsuwa usurping Index's role though for different reasons.

Spoiler for vol 20:

As for the new clone series, from what's being said, they seem to be directly under Crowley's control. That, and the fact that they seem to be designed to suicide, makes Mikoto successfully saving them even less likely than her saving the original clones. Under these circumstances, I'm not sure even Accelerator could save them.

All Mikoto finding out about them would accomplish is hurting her even more.