Mechs, Weapons, and Technology of Code Geass

[StratoSpear]

Originally Posted by Witacume

its an AT field! lol JK

Pin Point Barrier....??

C'mon, i'm just joking..

[Tokkan]

I just realised... the Tristan in the second OP... it's two swords look like miniature Excaliburs and it's head shares some similarities with the Galahad's head. The X-wings are probably Britannian made too, since the tips still have a green glow and Black Knights knightmare wings have a purple glow on their tips.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

I just realised... the Tristan in the second OP... it's two swords look like miniature Excaliburs and it's head shares some similarities with the Galahad's head. The X-wings are probably Britannian made too, since the tips still have a green glow and Black Knights knightmare wings have a purple glow on their tips.

Oh good, more reason to wonder who the pilot will be...

Spoiler for Reference to Newtype::

This could be the after affect of Episode 20 where Suzaku is challenged by someone, if that someone is Gino (which would make sense imo). If the Tristan is damaged badly enough it could warrant the changes.

Only thing though, is why is two swords? Gino uses scythes/halbers.

[JackRydden224]

Originally Posted by Var

Oh good, more reason to wonder who the pilot will be...

Spoiler for Reference to Newtype::

This could be the after affect of Episode 20 where Suzaku is challenged by someone, if that someone is Gino (which would make sense imo). If the Tristan is damaged badly enough it could warrant the changes.

Only thing though, is why is two swords? Gino uses scythes/halbers.

Don't you guys know that Gino is actually Duke Freed? It really explains the horns and the double harken on the Tristan! The beam it shoots is actually anti-gravity storm

I can kinda see Gino challenging Suzaku in an attempt to slap some sense back into him but the Tristan gets damaged in the process, but not likely though since Bismark would surely stop such thing from happening. As for the weapon, I'm sure the knight of 3 can handle swords just as well.

[Var]

Originally Posted by JackRydden224

As for the weapon, I'm sure the knight of 3 can handle swords just as well.

It's not really a question of can or not, its just why? If the Tristan can be altered, new head, new FP, then it sure as hell can also be given back its weapons. It can't be that hard to make a pair of scythes. So why make a pair of swords for it instead?

[Tokkan]

Why remove the Slash Harkens, too? If you look carefully, it has no Slash Harkens in the opening.

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Var

It's not really a question of can or not, its just why? If the Tristan can be altered, new head, new FP, then it sure as hell can also be given back its weapons. It can't be that hard to make a pair of scythes. So why make a pair of swords for it instead?

They might still be scythes. If you look towards the end of them during the OP they bulge a little near the end so it could just be the viewing angle thats obscuring their shape.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

Why remove the Slash Harkens, too? If you look carefully, it has no Slash Harkens in the opening.

Good call, how did I miss those massive things not being there either. The Tristan has been pretty heavily altered in the OP.

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

They might still be scythes. If you look towards the end of them during the OP they bulge a little near the end so it could just be the viewing angle thats obscuring their shape.

They are swords, I'll upload an image shortly where you can see that the tip doesn't actually go anywhere, it just has a weird blade end. It still ends like a sword, though.

Spoiler for size:

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

Why remove the Slash Harkens, too? If you look carefully, it has no Slash Harkens in the opening.

You could ask the same thing about the Lancelot Albion then as well then.

Since its forearms look a little similar to the LA and GG maybe they simply decided that having some type of arm mounted shield was a better use of the space than some SH's since they suck versus shields anyway, well judging from Zangetsu versus Lancelot Conquista anyway..

Anyway things like that get shot off like that can be borked pretty quickly anyway, remember the Blitzs drill and raiders spiked ball from MSGS?

Originally Posted by Var

Good call, how did I miss those massive things not being there either. The Tristan has been pretty heavily altered in the OP.



They are swords, I'll upload an image shortly where you can see that the tip doesn't actually go anywhere, it just has a weird blade end. It still ends like a sword, though.

Spoiler for size:

They look like they get fatter towards the end to me. If there not scythes it doesn't change the fact that they protude a little to the side at the end. I suppose it could just be a small hook though.

[bladeofdarkness]

is still say that they removed the SH from the albion becouse they needed more energy for the new wings float system
since without it the albion couldnt use it to the same extent as the guren

[Var]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

You could ask the same thing about the Lancelot Albion then as well then.

Since its forearms look a little similar to the LA and GG maybe they simply decided that having some type of arm mounted shield was a better use of the space than some SH's since they such versus shields anyway, well judging from Zangetsu versus Lancelot Conquista anyway..

The Albion has upgraded shields all around it, it has no use for a specific arm shield. And that is still nothing like the Tristan which has had its weapons completely changed, not just shifted like Albion from a smaller shield to a bigger shield. It also doesn't have the energy to support further shielding.

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

They look like they get fatter towards the end to me. If there not scythes it doesn't change the fact that they protude a little to the side at the end. I suppose it could just be a small hook though.

They are swords, the form is that of a sword. Even if it ends in a hook, which would have to be rather small given how much we can see from either sword at different angles, it is still a sword. If I add a hook to the end of a gun it doesn't make the gun a hook. It's still a gun.

It's not like you went from a scythe to a halberd, which is a modest and understandable change. You went from a scythe to two much shorter swords.

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

is still say that they removed the SH from the albion becouse they needed more energy for the new wings float system
since without it the albion couldnt use it to the same extent as the guren

Slash harkens don't really use a lot of energy when used(the Lancelots may be a different story since they can alter direction in mid-air)and shouldn't actually drain any when not in use.

Now if they removed them to cut back on weight to increase speed/agility or allow for stronger shielding on the arms i could buy that.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

Nope, on its arms and its hips.

Right, I was thinking of Kallen's original mech.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

Slash harkens don't really use a lot of energy when used(the Lancelots may be a different story since they can alter direction in mid-air)and shouldn't actually drain any when not in use.

Now if they removed them to cut back on weight to increase speed/agility or allow for stronger shielding on the arms i could buy that.

the harken boosters take more energy
so much that suzaku had to use a password to activate them for the first time in ep 17

also the shields might be removed


i posted a theory about the guren and lancelot power output a few pages ago
i will post it again

Spoiler for theory:

having looked at the guren longassnamethaticantremember and the new lancelot albion i came up with an idea
Lloyd and ceceil went to town on the guren after they got it and made it too powerfull
giving it a better arm and the new float system unlike anything seen before
if they had those things then why didnt they put it on the lancelot first
i think its becouse the lancelot couldnt properly power them

when you compare the guren and lancelot you cant help but notice that the guren has alot less built in weapons then the lancelot
the only built in weapons it has is a single wrist mouned gun (which doesnt need energy since it uses projectiles) and a single slash harken
the fukshahdo arm is not a built in system as it can be detached and replaced at will
and the new gefun net is the same since it wasnt built in the original
as is the new shield and float system
the lancelot on the other hand has four slash harkens with boosters and a bulit in shield system
the msv swords and the varis are not bulit in

what it made me think is that the lancelot was built from scratch to be a weapons platform with several intergrated weapon systems
the other external weapon systems were added later after the lancelot was mostly finished which is why non of the other (non bulit it) weapon work based on its power generator (until the hadron booster was add to the concuesta model)
while the guren was built (IMO) with the added external weapons in mind from the first stages
in other words it was made with very little built in weapons becouse rakshata was planning to add the external weapons from the start and wanted it to be able to power them more effetively
the arm and the shield as well as the float unit all drew power from the guren itself and thats why i think it was wired from the start to be able to generate more power for use in external systems
that would explain why Lloyd said it was very easy to toy with since it was built to have new hardware added to it
and that might be why the new guren has four energy fethers on each side while the lancelot only has three
it can extend more power to the new float unit
it also might explain why the new lancelot is missing some of the harkens
it couldnt draw the power needed for the new float unit without having to ditch some of the other built in systems since it wasnt built with the new systems in mind

[Ruvixur]

Originally Posted by Var

The Albion has upgraded shields all around it, it has no use for a specific arm shield. And that is still nothing like the Tristan which has had its weapons completely changed, not just shifted like Albion from a smaller shield to a bigger shield. It also doesn't have the energy to support further shielding.




They are swords, the form is that of a sword. Even if it ends in a hook, which would have to be rather small given how much we can see from either sword at different angles, it is still a sword. If I add a hook to the end of a gun it doesn't make the gun a hook. It's still a gun.

It's not like you went from a scythe to a halberd, which is a modest and understandable change. You went from a scythe to two much shorter swords.

Maybe those swords can open into scythe? That's why the tip of sword is bigger - it opens into scythe.
BTW, scythe is pretty stupid weapon IMO.

[ZeroSama]

Originally Posted by Ruvixur

Maybe those swords can open into scythe? That's why the tip of sword is bigger - it opens into scythe.
BTW, scythe is pretty stupid weapon IMO.

Not really look at Gino versus Asahina in EP 6. Their shape makes them ideal for disarming an opponent, espically in the hands of someone skilled in there use.

[bladeofdarkness]

keep one thing in mind
the guren had its old float unit and shield system removed
the new tristan has those same things in the op
which means it must have been damaged and needed new systems to replace its damaged systems
the scyte must have also been destroyed

[Var]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

Not really look at Gino versus Asahina in EP 6. Their shape makes them ideal for disarming an opponent, espically in the hands of someone skilled in there use.

Which is really the question, Gino is skilled in his weapon set, so why switch to a completely different weapon and fighting style.

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

keep one thing in mind
the guren had its old float unit and shield system removed
the new tristan has those same things in the op
which means it must have been damaged and needed new systems to replace its damaged systems
the scyte must have also been destroyed

The Tristan has no parts from the Guren, the Guren has a one set of wings, not X-wings for its flight pack.

[Ruvixur]

Originally Posted by ZeroSama

Not really look at Gino versus Asahina in EP 6. Their shape makes them ideal for disarming an opponent, espically in the hands of someone skilled in there use.

I'd say that sword ( not counting firearms)is better, but it's just my opinion.
Why bother with trying to disarm opponent, when you can kill them. Besides, with the same skills, Swordsman will beat Scytheman, because the moment you pass the blade of scythe, you win.

Not to you: And I don't like that there are no slash harkens. They where the best part of CG mech . No more harken tricks from Suzaku .

Edit: Scythe is to bully the weak. And Gino said that he doesn't like to bully the weak. Maybe that's why he decided to change weapon?

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Var

Which is really the question, Gino is skilled in his weapon set, so why switch to a completely different weapon and fighting style.


The Tristan has no parts from the Guren, the Guren has a one set of wings, not X-wings for its flight pack.

rewatch ep 6
S-foil model
also the new anttena (which is part of the shield system