2012-01-03, 18:03 | Link #18821 | |
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ehrrrr ... yeah ... Common sense, once you hold us. Have to agree with Mentar on this one, as always the propaganda "hurr hurr Iran is evil" worked pretty well. Well anyway for sure, provoking America on this period is rather dumb, now none of the two can back off. |
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2012-01-03, 18:08 | Link #18822 | |
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America is guilty of plenty of things, but two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not defending America, but last I checked they aren't doing any of the things I listed, but Iran are. You're ok with that? |
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2012-01-03, 18:16 | Link #18823 | ||
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America is guilty for letting the Jewish lobby play "Wag the Dog" with America, first causing the change from "honest broker" to "ardent full supporter and enabler of Israel". In my opinion, Israel is on a breathtakingly self-destructive course with the Greater Israel plans, the illegal settlements, the Gaza blockade and structural oppression of the Palestinians, and last but not least the continuous alienation of former allies (e.g. Turkey). And America doesn't have the testicular fortitude to tell them off. Neither has Germany, unfortunately, but I can understand that with our past, we better keep our big mouths shut for once. Quote:
In the current political climate, an attack of America or Israel on Iran will have huge repercussions in the ME. Nevermind the harm to the world economy should the Strait of Hormuz be endangered or even closed. And America's military might can do sh*t about all that. It would immediately stabilize the inner problems Iran has, because the vast majority of citizens will side with their government. And that for the price of a few ships? Who'd be the stupid one then? |
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2012-01-03, 18:17 | Link #18824 |
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Yes and ? The thing begin when somebody asked if others thought if Iran was the innocent in this situation (today), in what ways the fact that they don't respect humans right make them guilty in this situation.
As you said, each country is guilty of something, their past history and their present history, yet none of those two matter in what's happening between America and Iran. Thus it's what I said, you consider that what Iran is doing now, is ... hmm more evil? and thus they are guilty. Isn't it what you are trying to say? |
2012-01-03, 18:26 | Link #18825 | ||
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You're flat-out wrong on the second count. America's leading politicians regularly threaten other sovereign nations with war. Rick Santorum would bomb Iran. He's currently surging in the primaries. In modern times, no other nation has attacked other sovereign nations as regularly as the US. Quote:
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2012-01-03, 18:31 | Link #18826 | ||||||
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Did I jump to conclusions? It was actually a bait more than an assumption, as I know nobody would really believe the Islamic Revolution was anyone's responsibility but that of the Iranian people. My bad Quote:
The largest group of pro-Israel support in America is the (hundreds of millions of) Evangelical Christians. The American people are generally pro-Israel. That's how democracy works. Quote:
America is still the World superpower (tm), so they have big responsibilities of course. I guess they just have a more balanced view of the Middle East than you do. Quote:
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Iran's sabre-rattling doesn't help their case either, as stated above. Quote:
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2012-01-03, 18:53 | Link #18827 | ||||||
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Lots of non sequiturs in your last posting.
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One would have thought that former decade-long traditional allies like Turkey turning hostile or critical countries with peace treaties openly considering cancelling them like Egypt might give people pause to think. But naturally, if the Czech Republic gives a positive generic poll, things must be fine. Quote:
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If you want to delude yourself that "The Jury is out there", be my guest. It's not, the verdict has been spoken, and the more despots are toppling, the clearer the message becomes from those people whose voices aren't suppressed anymore. |
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2012-01-03, 19:06 | Link #18828 | |||||||
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It's midnight and I'm on Animesuki instead of in bed, forgive me?
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The bottom line is that most Americans support Israel, so most American governments support Israel. Especially around election time... Quote:
This isn't an Israel discussion, despite your best efforts to steer it in that direction, so you'll forgive me if I basically just fob off the rest of your arguments (and cause I'm tired and going to bed lol) Quote:
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Same deal with Turkey, Islam is the big influence. The Turkish opposition have been opposed (as you do) to Erdogan's policies towards Israel, least of all because they reeeeeeally want to be in Europe. Quote:
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2012-01-03, 19:35 | Link #18829 | ||||
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Only about the few relevant parts.
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54% of all Egyptians are for annulling the treaty, 36% against. That's not just "Militant Islam", it's a clear majority of all citizens. Quote:
Turkey is positioning themselves as a regional power and have reduced their attempts to join the EU (since they wouldn't be accepted due to several issues). Israel lost an ally here, and it's not going to come back unless there's some huge changes in Israel. But with Israel acting like the spoiled prince of an empire, that won't happen. Quote:
What remains is a generation of people in the ME who grow up with Islam on the rise, and Israel positioning themselves as the enemy to Islam. And in Israel, a generation grows up full of conviction that their exceptionalism and military preeminence - paired with religious zealotry - _require_ them to continue their path to Greater Israel. After all, they're the victims. This stance is going to end in tragedy, IMHO. The question is only when. Quote:
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2012-01-03, 21:32 | Link #18830 |
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http://start.toshiba.com/news/read.p...org%3E&ps=1018
Murder at the Queen's estate! Paging Hercule Poirot and Sherlock Holmes... Heck, even the Thompson twins or Inspector Clouseau will do. |
2012-01-03, 23:23 | Link #18831 |
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JPMorgan sued for $95 million over mortgage securities
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8021AJ20120103
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2012-01-03, 23:37 | Link #18832 |
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What the.... anyone with a logical state of mind cannot deny the enormous influence the Jewish community has over the American politics.
You can't possibly be serious.
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2012-01-04, 00:55 | Link #18834 | |
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2012-01-04, 05:52 | Link #18835 |
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What "basic economic principles" are you talking about? I am simply talking about China seeing it as a chance to buy more oil at cheap prices and providing Iran with the petrodollars it needs if the sanctions work out, and their regular clients turn to other oil-producers instead; either way, Iran still gets their petrodollars.
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2012-01-04, 06:51 | Link #18836 | |
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2012-01-04, 07:45 | Link #18837 | |
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China is not supporting the sanction, thusmaking them the few remaining importer of Iranian oil. EDIT : It already happened : China wants discounts!
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2012-01-04, 09:12 | Link #18838 |
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Top Singapore ministers face pay cuts of up to 51%
I'll doubt we'll ever see US politicians do the same thing. Then again, since Singaporean officials earn more than their American counterparts...
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2012-01-04, 09:13 | Link #18839 | |||||
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All the rest of the claims are not supported by facts at all thus merely speculation. (Search "China" in that article and see how many instances it make claims like you did and how often it is backed-up by hard facts). Reuters also said in another article: Quote:
Given what's mentioned in this Asashi Shinbun article, it will be quite inconvenient for Japan to cut off its import from Iran. Quote:
----------------------------------------------------------- Let me add something more, which is from today's news. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sou...ion-2012-01-04 Quote:
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2012-01-04, 10:16 | Link #18840 | |
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Considering that my country is run like a gigantic mega cap corp, be prepared to see the same antics as those big corporations in US do.
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