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Leafsnail · 2013-11-13, 17:49

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AuraTwilight · 2013-11-13, 22:03

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Renall · 2013-11-13, 22:20

Actually his name is...

Spoiler:

As for the remainder of the 1996 stuff, yes, it's meant to be ambiguous. I do intend that it be basically narrowed down to one of two outcomes, and that's basically a thematic question based on what was raised by Andromalius in that last conversation before the Tea Parties. Which impression you trust will lead naturally into something basically like one of the two intended outcomes. You've actually already hit upon one.

Walter's identity is also ambiguous, although it might be more (or less) ambiguous if I ever do that second TIP that was supposed to accompany the "complete" version of Redaction (the one with TIPS pages, character profiles, a functional unlock and chapter jump system, etc.). Again, it's one of those things that does have an answer but not an answer I was explicitly trying to give. Who Walter is isn't as relevant to this story as to others I'd probably never actually do, so it's one of those "saving for the sequel" things except there may never be one.

Leafsnail · 2013-11-14, 18:17

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Renall · 2013-11-30, 17:20

Been rather delinquent on updating the Erika game, but I'm mostly bogged down in UI stuff (which is also supposed to be used in Redaction's nebulous "final" release). I wanted to run some stuff by folks and get a general sense of what looks best.

Spoiler:

At first I was just messing around with different options for displaying direction in the menus. The bottom option represents the way it presently is, an allcaps cardinal direction for any action that involves movement. I considered abbreviating it (as NORTHWEST uses a lot of button real estate), coloring it for clarity, and so forth, but none of them looked quite right. I also added the red (!) as a sort of indicator of any action that will take time, as I've decided I'd rather not explicitly tell the player how long a time-consuming action may take.

Spoiler:

Shortly thereafter I tried using unicode arrows to represent the directions, but I was wary of this because it's sometimes hard to mentally correspond one to the other. I like the idea of organizing the "takes time" and "movement" icons together at the start (or possibly end?) of a line, but the colors still aren't right.

So then I remembered Ren'py can do inline images in text, and...

Spoiler:

I like the icons. They're clean, they explain their function (especially fond of the clock), and they draw the eye in case you're just looking for your options while not taking up a lot of screen space.

I'm thinking of going with this last idea, but I wanted to see if anybody thought it was more intuitive some other way.

Golden Bug-Hunter · 2013-11-30, 18:13

I really like the idea of using icons in general, but I think those particular icons could do with more of an Umineko-fication (?) to be a bit more stylized.

Especially the clock. I mean the clock in the lower right corner is such a repeatedly used image for any time there's a time passge in the main game, Maybe that can be pulled out and scaled down without losing recognizability?

GoldenLand · 2013-11-30, 21:46

I think the last option would be the best. The icons are fine as they are, but if an Umineko-themed set as Golden Bug-Hunter suggests is possible, that might be even better.

Drifloon · 2013-12-01, 04:42

Sheesh, stop reading my mind Renall. After I saw the first image I thought "maybe you could use arrows?" and then when I saw the second image I was thinking "some kind of clock icon would be more appropriate than that exclamation mark"...Spooky.

But yeah, I think that last screenshot looks pretty good. The only improvement I could suggest for the direction indication would be to arrange the movement options in a circle and have them pointing in the appropriate direction, but that's probably way too complicated to code. What you have now is perfectly fit for purpose.

Oh right, and it also might be nice if you could arrange it so that the options don't cover up Erika's sprite so much, but again it's hardly that important.

DaBackpack · 2014-01-02, 02:51

http://www.dlsite.com/eng/work/=/pro.../RE122472.html

It's about time somebody made this crossover

Too bad it's only in Japanese... I highly doubt this will ever see an English translation

Looks really good though.

rogerpepitone · 2014-01-02, 11:11

Actually, there was "Turnabout Seagulls", except that was never written past the prologue.

UmiLion · 2014-01-12, 02:29

Hey guys! I just finished Umineko Chiru (Umitweak) and some fan vn's and thought I would give it a shot! So I decided to create my fan game using Ren'py.

I'm going to be using the PS3 Alchemist sprites for this fan game/project that I am going to create. I'm not going to be able to use Onscripter because I already started using Ren'py and i forgot most of the codes in Onscripter. I'm sure that there is going to be some parts that are etchy because I'm not that good at creating fan games. I hope you can enjoy my game.
Here are some pictures!

Spoiler for SPOILER:

I hope you like it! Please tell me what you think!!

GoldenLand · 2014-01-12, 08:12

I'll look forward to playing it, UmiLion! It looks promising, based on those screencaps. Have you got a synopsis for the plot ready yet, or is it too early to say?

And that reminds me, I need to go and attempt to download Total Seacat Island (another person's fan game) now that I've got access to a bit torrent thing.

My own fan game has been going slowly, but my activity's picked up lately now that I'm making progress on maps and now that I've finally got a graphics tablet. For all that I was saying I could make do without extra sprites, I still really wanted some, and now that I can draw them it's encouraging.

battle22 · 2014-01-12, 14:28

Can't believe someone still remembers Total Seacat Island. I've put it on hiatus and most of the links are pretty much gone. I think I had a bit too much fun with it, it got too ridiculous XD

And some really hurtful "criticisms" have been made about it, which discouraged me a lot as well.

I don't know what its future is going to be, but I feel legitimately happy that you remember.

GoldenLand · 2014-01-13, 04:13

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Originally Posted by battle22

Can't believe someone still remembers Total Seacat Island. I've put it on hiatus and most of the links are pretty much gone. I think I had a bit too much fun with it, it got too ridiculous XD

And some really hurtful "criticisms" have been made about it, which discouraged me a lot as well.

I don't know what its future is going to be, but I feel legitimately happy that you remember.

I've been wanting to play it for ages, but assorted things just kept getting in the way. I initially tried the direct download not too long after the game came out, but then I worried about my bandwidth. Then there weren't any direct downloads and I was stymied because I don't use bit torrent. Then I just got a browser with built in bit torrent and decide to try it, and now I've just realised that there actually is a direct download available. So I'm trying the direct download now and I hope to play the game by the end of the week...unless my bandwidth conks out while trying to download it.

I'm sure it'll be a fun game (ridiculousness is not a negative!), and I'm looking forward to it, even if the ending of it is uncertain.

GoldenLand · 2014-01-31, 13:21

And now that I've finished playing Total Seacat Island, I really ought to review it. It was a fun, entertaining game. Thanks for making it, Battle22! I'll certainly continue to read it if it gets continued/re-made.

Spoiler for Total Seacat Island up to ep 5:

Captain Bluebeard · 2014-02-01, 10:09

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Originally Posted by GoldenLand

And now that I've finished playing Total Seacat Island, I really ought to review it. It was a fun, entertaining game. Thanks for making it, Battle22! I'll certainly continue to read it if it gets continued/re-made.

Spoiler for Total Seacat Island up to ep 5:

I'm very glad someone noticed these CGs

(you must actually be the first person to comment on them)

It was planned for every episode after EP4 to have at least one custom CG (which never really happened because, obviously, the whole project was discontinued). Since you liked them, here's some other CGs that were made for episodes 5, 6 and 7 which unfortunately never saw the light of day:

Spoiler for CGs:

P.S: There may be some minor spoilers in these but... I don't know if it really matters at this point.

GoldenLand · 2014-02-02, 06:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bluebeard

I'm very glad someone noticed these CGs

(you must actually be the first person to comment on them)

It was planned for every episode after EP4 to have at least one custom CG (which never really happened because, obviously, the whole project was discontinued). Since you liked them, here's some other CGs that were made for episodes 5, 6 and 7 which unfortunately never saw the light of day:

Spoiler for CGs:

Thanks for posting those, they look great! I'll leave the context up to my imagination (interesting outfit, Hideyoshi...

). I'm surprised that you hadn't had any comments about the CGs before.

VonDoom · 2014-02-02, 18:21

Well, first post after registering here (though I've followed this particular board quite a bit), but I must say that I've greatly enjoyed the fan forgeries and theories published here -- so far I had my fun with Witches and Woodlands and 'When the Seacats Cry', but I also fully intend to play through Total Seacat Island (and look forward to the Erika game!).

I saw someone had trouble getting the files. I think that's been resolved now, but I'm seeding them for awhile now anyway, just to make sure. It took me quite awhile to complete the torrent as well.

Thunder Book · 2014-02-04, 21:02

So a new Redaction TIP is on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tu7R_b9q6Q

Leafsnail · 2014-02-06, 18:01

That was certainly interesting. I may be on completely the wrong track but I think I get Redaction a lot more now.

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2013-11-13, 17:49	Link #701
Leafsnail Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	Spoiler: Well some of the injuries are implied to have been deliberate, so it would have to have been them coming to blows. I guess that would thematically mirror Sarah's interpretation. If Walter is unrelated to anyone involved in the case then I'm sortof confused as to how he drew his conclusions from the forgery alone.

2013-11-13, 22:03	Link #702
AuraTwilight The True Culprit Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The Golden Land	Spoiler for Response: He didn't. He also did external research into the three students and learned they were traveling with a fourth person, and investigated the Witch Hunter conventions they attended, eventually honing down on the erroneous theory of David Richards, who fit all of the data points Walter uncovered. __________________ When the Silent Spirits Cry: An Umineko/Silent Hill crossover fanfiction http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4565173&postcount=531

2013-11-13, 22:20	Link #703
Renall BUY MY BOOK!!! Join Date: May 2009	Actually his name is... Spoiler: David Martin. Richards is Sarah's birth name. Walter never found records of David's sister because he didn't know her birth name was "Sarah Richards," and searching under David's mother's name wouldn't have gotten anything because they're half-siblings. Sarah's impression of her mother is meant to clarify that she was born out of wedlock when her mother was much younger, and her mother gave her up expecting never to see her again. As for the remainder of the 1996 stuff, yes, it's meant to be ambiguous. I do intend that it be basically narrowed down to one of two outcomes, and that's basically a thematic question based on what was raised by Andromalius in that last conversation before the Tea Parties. Which impression you trust will lead naturally into something basically like one of the two intended outcomes. You've actually already hit upon one. Walter's identity is also ambiguous, although it might be more (or less) ambiguous if I ever do that second TIP that was supposed to accompany the "complete" version of Redaction (the one with TIPS pages, character profiles, a functional unlock and chapter jump system, etc.). Again, it's one of those things that does have an answer but not an answer I was explicitly trying to give. Who Walter is isn't as relevant to this story as to others I'd probably never actually do, so it's one of those "saving for the sequel" things except there may never be one. __________________ Redaction of the Golden Witch I submit that a murder was committed in 1996. This murder was a "copycat" crime inspired by our tales of 1986. This story is a redacted confession. Blog (VN DL) - YouTube Playlists Battler Solves The Logic Error

2013-11-14, 18:17	Link #704
Leafsnail Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	Spoiler: That seems to make sense with regards to Walter. So I suppose it comes down to a fallen or non-fallen world interpretation. I can see the fallen world interpretation fairly easily - everyone is at fault (as in Sarah's interpretation). So a scenario in which, say, Cass falls and injures herself, then Karl and Hiro blame each other and come to blows makes sense in that case. The non-fallen world would then probably require that either no-one be truly at fault, or that one "evildoer" is largely responsible. I'm not so sure on this one, I don't particularly like any of the ideas I've come up with: - Hiro was the culprit. He told Cass that she could wait and he and Karl would go ahead to try and find a safe path through the forest. He then tried to kill Karl, but ended up in a protracted fight and received an injury in return. When he returned he found that Cass had accidentally died, so he went and threw himself over the edge of the cliff. - It was a genuine accident. The injuries and the fact that the bodies were so far from each other makes it difficult to come up with a scenario where this works, though. - Somehow there was an external culprit. The pilot interview is just about vague enough to leave open the possibility, and I'm sure Walter would continue to assert that the culprit offered to fly the plane themselves or that the pilot was actually David or something.

2013-11-30, 17:20	Link #705
Renall BUY MY BOOK!!! Join Date: May 2009	Been rather delinquent on updating the Erika game, but I'm mostly bogged down in UI stuff (which is also supposed to be used in Redaction's nebulous "final" release). I wanted to run some stuff by folks and get a general sense of what looks best. Spoiler: At first I was just messing around with different options for displaying direction in the menus. The bottom option represents the way it presently is, an allcaps cardinal direction for any action that involves movement. I considered abbreviating it (as NORTHWEST uses a lot of button real estate), coloring it for clarity, and so forth, but none of them looked quite right. I also added the red (!) as a sort of indicator of any action that will take time, as I've decided I'd rather not explicitly tell the player how long a time-consuming action may take. Spoiler: Shortly thereafter I tried using unicode arrows to represent the directions, but I was wary of this because it's sometimes hard to mentally correspond one to the other. I like the idea of organizing the "takes time" and "movement" icons together at the start (or possibly end?) of a line, but the colors still aren't right. So then I remembered Ren'py can do inline images in text, and... Spoiler: I like the icons. They're clean, they explain their function (especially fond of the clock), and they draw the eye in case you're just looking for your options while not taking up a lot of screen space. I'm thinking of going with this last idea, but I wanted to see if anybody thought it was more intuitive some other way. __________________ Redaction of the Golden Witch I submit that a murder was committed in 1996. This murder was a "copycat" crime inspired by our tales of 1986. This story is a redacted confession. Blog (VN DL) - YouTube Playlists Battler Solves The Logic Error

2013-11-30, 18:13	Link #706
Golden Bug-Hunter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	I really like the idea of using icons in general, but I think those particular icons could do with more of an Umineko-fication (?) to be a bit more stylized. Especially the clock. I mean the clock in the lower right corner is such a repeatedly used image for any time there's a time passge in the main game, Maybe that can be pulled out and scaled down without losing recognizability?

2013-11-30, 21:46	Link #707
GoldenLand Eaten by goats Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Rokkenjima	I think the last option would be the best. The icons are fine as they are, but if an Umineko-themed set as Golden Bug-Hunter suggests is possible, that might be even better.

2013-12-01, 04:42	Link #708
Drifloon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	Sheesh, stop reading my mind Renall. After I saw the first image I thought "maybe you could use arrows?" and then when I saw the second image I was thinking "some kind of clock icon would be more appropriate than that exclamation mark"...Spooky. But yeah, I think that last screenshot looks pretty good. The only improvement I could suggest for the direction indication would be to arrange the movement options in a circle and have them pointing in the appropriate direction, but that's probably way too complicated to code. What you have now is perfectly fit for purpose. Oh right, and it also might be nice if you could arrange it so that the options don't cover up Erika's sprite so much, but again it's hardly that important.

2014-01-02, 02:51	Link #709
DaBackpack Blick Winkel Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Gobbled up by Promathia	http://www.dlsite.com/eng/work/=/pro.../RE122472.html It's about time somebody made this crossover Too bad it's only in Japanese... I highly doubt this will ever see an English translation Looks really good though. Last edited by DaBackpack; 2014-01-02 at 03:08.

2014-01-02, 11:11	Link #710
rogerpepitone Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	Actually, there was "Turnabout Seagulls", except that was never written past the prologue. __________________ Umineko notes: Various (1-4) Ep 3 (w/ red text) Ep 4 (w/ red text) . My projects: Higurashi Daybreak - in need of translator Higurashi DS Translation - in need of translator Never7: The End of Infinity - Finished! I/O: In progress 12Riven: In progress

2014-01-12, 02:29	Link #711
UmiLion Witch Of Love Join Date: Jan 2013	Hey guys! I just finished Umineko Chiru (Umitweak) and some fan vn's and thought I would give it a shot! So I decided to create my fan game using Ren'py. I'm going to be using the PS3 Alchemist sprites for this fan game/project that I am going to create. I'm not going to be able to use Onscripter because I already started using Ren'py and i forgot most of the codes in Onscripter. I'm sure that there is going to be some parts that are etchy because I'm not that good at creating fan games. I hope you can enjoy my game. Here are some pictures! Spoiler for SPOILER: Spoiler for SPOILER: Spoiler for SPOILER: I hope you like it! Please tell me what you think!!

2014-01-12, 08:12	Link #712
GoldenLand Eaten by goats Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Rokkenjima	I'll look forward to playing it, UmiLion! It looks promising, based on those screencaps. Have you got a synopsis for the plot ready yet, or is it too early to say? And that reminds me, I need to go and attempt to download Total Seacat Island (another person's fan game) now that I've got access to a bit torrent thing. My own fan game has been going slowly, but my activity's picked up lately now that I'm making progress on maps and now that I've finally got a graphics tablet. For all that I was saying I could make do without extra sprites, I still really wanted some, and now that I can draw them it's encouraging.

2014-01-12, 14:28	Link #713
battle22 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Rokkenjima Age: 27	Can't believe someone still remembers Total Seacat Island. I've put it on hiatus and most of the links are pretty much gone. I think I had a bit too much fun with it, it got too ridiculous XD And some really hurtful "criticisms" have been made about it, which discouraged me a lot as well. I don't know what its future is going to be, but I feel legitimately happy that you remember. __________________ Total Seacat Island A not-so-average Umineko gameboard

2014-01-31, 13:21	Link #715
GoldenLand Eaten by goats Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Rokkenjima	And now that I've finished playing Total Seacat Island, I really ought to review it. It was a fun, entertaining game. Thanks for making it, Battle22! I'll certainly continue to read it if it gets continued/re-made. Spoiler for Total Seacat Island up to ep 5: It was interesting to hear what are presumably non-Umineko BGM/BGM clips mixed in with the Umineko ones. Some of them were really nice and ones that maybe I should track down sometime, and some were well used to match to the jokes. (It is always time for the macarena. And for Super Sonic Racing.) The custom art and graphics were very impressive. It was very nice to have the map and character profiles made to fit the game. The new backgrounds were nice, and the custom art was funny and well-drawn. My favourites were the art for the chain and bath scene with Will and for Beatrice and the spiders. I was also impressed by the inclusion of the choice options with Lambadelta. (And that they could lead to bad ends.) It was fun to see some of the sprites from the fighting game there, and they were integrated well. I particularly liked them in the cliff climbing scene with Kanon and Shannon. I could tell that a lot of work must have gone into some of the edited animated scenes using art from the PS3 port and the special moves of the fighting game. Speaking of the PS3 port, it was also nice to see the sprites from that game in action. I do prefer the original art on account of Ryukishi's glorious expressions, but the more polished stuff from the port does have good things about it too. Especially Erika's pirate hat and tape graphics! There were a lot of funny jokes, and I liked the spirit of fun and absurdity that the game had, and the references to the Umineko games in general. I took a bunch of notes as I watched, so I know that jokes I liked in particular included: - Rudolf's "I think...I'm gonna get voted off tonight." and "I think...I'm going to drown today." jokes. - "I'm sorry, I am Captain Erika." "Arr!" And the other pirate things. Erika's stalking was great too. - You really worried me at the point where Rosa is instructing Maria in how to use a gun, and Kinzo shows up saying "What the hell are you teaching her!"but my faith was restored when he added "You have to aim for the head, that's a guaranteed kill." - I loved Will's solution to Gaap's riddle. - Ahahahaha Gertrude's sudden "Let it be known that I fucking love this!" face, so scary. - Rudolf's make-up face! - Dlanor vs the Goats and Lion and Rosa vs the Zombies were great. In terms of negatives, there were several spelling mistakes throughout the game, although they didn't detract from enjoying reading. I also had a bit of trouble with some of the sound effects sounding louder than the music, so esp. at points where there were screaming sound clips or I thought there might be some, I did turn the sound basically off, lest people run in worried about me, heh. Also, I found that when I was spending a relatively long session reading Seacats, the comic effect of all the swearing wore off a lot more than when I just read a shorter bit at a time. And some of the special effects seemed to repeat for a while too long. So in short, I think the game was funny and creative. Nice stuff.

2014-02-02, 18:21	Link #718
VonDoom Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	Well, first post after registering here (though I've followed this particular board quite a bit), but I must say that I've greatly enjoyed the fan forgeries and theories published here -- so far I had my fun with Witches and Woodlands and 'When the Seacats Cry', but I also fully intend to play through Total Seacat Island (and look forward to the Erika game!). I saw someone had trouble getting the files. I think that's been resolved now, but I'm seeding them for awhile now anyway, just to make sure. It took me quite awhile to complete the torrent as well.

2014-02-04, 21:02	Link #719
Thunder Book Endless Member Join Date: Oct 2009	So a new Redaction TIP is on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tu7R_b9q6Q

2014-02-06, 18:01	Link #720
Leafsnail Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	That was certainly interesting. I may be on completely the wrong track but I think I get Redaction a lot more now. Spoiler: So the idea is that "Mrs Marion" may hold a lot of responsibility for the Rokkenjima incident in Sarah's fragment, even though she wasn't there and never planned any murders. It is thus analogous to Sarah's feelings about the 1996 incident, in which she allowed three young people to head off to a dangerous island together.