2011-06-10, 23:36 | Link #2981 | |
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2011-06-11, 21:59 | Link #2983 |
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Saber likes Caliburn better, but the sword most recently in her possession was Excalibur. Caliburn is supposedly weaker, not being able to use the attack of The Sword of Promised Victory, but I have my doubts after it took 6 of Berserker's lives.
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2011-06-14, 17:39 | Link #2991 |
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well....in terms of when he says "trace on", i think viewers first heard him say it at school when he repaired the heater for the student council. In terms of the time when he actually used it to do something significant, i would think it was against berserker when he traced caliburn. Although it is different in each route as to when he "first" uses it.
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2011-06-14, 23:45 | Link #2992 |
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Two questions:
How exactly does a counter guardian's memories work in Alaya's service? The way I understand it, Alaya is like a greedy collector and doesnt want to damage its Heroic spirit collection and essentially clones its HS and CG when it sends them out. As such, a HS and CG cannot change once they are dead. However, its quite clear Archer changes drastically from his optimistic self to what he is in FSN but if the original doesnt actually go into combat, how does that work? I've been told its kind of like an after action report where the CG reads the important stats of what happened but nothing else. i.e. Time summoned: 12th, June, 2052 1200 people killed. Time elapsed: 24 Days, 12 hours, 36 seconds. Times K&B traced: 82 So does he get depressed simply by seeing the report of # of people he kills as a CG... like a general getting depressed at the amount of people dieing vs a soldier seeing it up close? Second question: In HF, 5th day, we see Caster killing her master. She's definitely covered in Kuzukis blood with Rule Breaker out. However, it seems either she wasnt aware of her actions (as she was being controlled). Is this from the shadow or something else? I know her corpse is controlled somehow by Zouken but thats after she dies. |
2011-06-15, 09:28 | Link #2993 | |
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The answer to your first question is that although shirou/archer was very much optimistic through his life to become a hero of justice during his lifetime, he was ALREADY changing when he was saving the world for the Xth time. As he witnessed the evils of mankind more and more, he grew ever more cynical. He became a Heroic spirit on that hill of swords to bet his chances on appearing in the 5ht grail war so that he could kill his younger self, hence UBW route, to halt the cycle. The other two routes he changes his mind. The second question does not have an answer. From what i've read from interviews with Nasu, even he does not have a conclusive answer as to why caster betrayed Kazuki. |
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2011-06-16, 15:04 | Link #2994 | |
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It's stated quite explicitly that he became a Counter Guardian to save 100 or so people. The whole "killing Shirou" thing came later. |
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2011-06-16, 22:43 | Link #2995 | |
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yeah, i was probably wrong about becoming a heroic spirit on the hill of swords ok, then u explain how he came up with the plot of killing his younger self to end his service as a CG, IF counter guardians aren't suppose to retain their memories. |
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2011-06-17, 05:56 | Link #2996 |
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Counter Guardians do retain their memories. He even gives Shirou a full explanation of the hell that he's gone through as a Counter Guardian in UBW. Granted, his memory of events may not be perfect (I do recall that whole "It's as if they read a report on it" thing, but can't remember from where), but he still very much remembers it, even if it's just a recap of the horrors he's had to commit.
It's Servants who aren't supposed to retain their memories, and why Archer's acceptance in UBW is ultimately worthless to him (but not Shirou). |
2011-06-17, 15:42 | Link #2997 | |
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2011-06-17, 15:50 | Link #2998 |
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They don't retain memories, but they do have records.
The way I've always heard it explained is this. When Archer is summoned, he looks back at the "records" of his time as a CG (and, because the Throne is outside of time, he has records of every event he will ever participate in) and sees nothing but constant killing. That causes him to think "fuck that". |
2011-06-17, 16:02 | Link #2999 | |
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As for the records, it's still basically memories. They aren't as vivid as a normal memory, but it's not like he has a clipboard with his kill stats on it or anything. It's all in his mind. |
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