Saimoe 2008 Pre-Discussion

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Daniel E.

Then again, it's all about the groups in the end. >_< !

Second most important factor...better start praying

(And if you want to know, the most important factor I think is the amount of "rigging" involved ).

[KholdStare]

Rigging is just another fancy word for excessive campaigning now, come on.

Anyways, if anything, I feel that Tomoyo can go a long ways, or at least on par with the top KyoAni characters.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

Second most important factor...better start praying

(And if you want to know, the most important factor I think is the amount of "rigging" involved ).

not rigging just too much "against votes"

i do wonder what the saimoe organizer will do or if they will even do anything about it. Last years final was less exciting then 2 or 3 of the pervious contest.

And at least this year you won't have to choose between gina-sama and feito-chan.

[Reckoner]

I can never understand moe tournaments. Not to discredit those of you who work so hard for it, but I just don't understand the fulfillment that people get from these things. It all just seems like mindless entertainment, and if that's all you're doing for, no problem. It's just that the characters that win these things are just the most popular characters of said nature, and in fact I don't think it promotes the idea of watching these different animes like some of you may think. For a small faction it may give people the heads up on series out there, but I would guess that the voters stick their votes to the series they've seen mainly, which tend to be the more popular ones out there, and the characters who get nominated for this tend to be the ppular ones anyhow. I think it stagnates anime viewer ship actually.

[Sheba]

The answer is easy. If you look around places like 4chan or random animeblogs that covers the event, you get clash of egos ("my fandom/moé IS better than YOURS!"), people gloating over characters' defeat, other celebrating one victory. One can claim that last Saimoe was higurashi fans' victory because Rika won, others, like anonymous, will reply that Saimoe 2007 was THEIR victory because none from Lucky*Star or KyoAni anime have made it to the finals, another would argue that it's their victory because the final was NOT Rozen/Nanoha, and the list goes on. In the end, it boils down to anonymous peons that just want to rub people's face with their e-penises.

[Deathkillz]

Well...if I had to pick between this or some TV singing (DRAMA) wannabe contest, guess what my choice would be

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

not rigging just too much "against votes"

i do wonder what the saimoe organizer will do or if they will even do anything about it. Last years final was less exciting then 2 or 3 of the pervious contest.

And at least this year you won't have to choose between gina-sama and feito-chan.

Against votes are a dumb idea if you ask me. Instead of having a clean fight, there has to be some who are always thinking about tactics "better kill X before she reaches Y" scenario being the most obvious one.

The contest would be so much better if it is just a straight forward "vote for your favorite for that round" ~ but the internal conflicts that comes out pretty much ruins everything with "anti this and that".

And yea...I'm spared from making that decision (and I know that god is cruel enough to pitch them in the first bracket together even if gin sama could qualify this time round).

[qtipbrit]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Nanoha - 2005 Champion, 2007 Elite Eight. Always a strong candidate, a few lucky breaks here and there and she could be the first repeat champion of Saimoe.

Fate - 2006 runner up. Lost in the 2nd round of 2007 but lost with one of the highest vote totals. For 3 straight years she lost to one of the Rozen Dolls, however this year there will be no Dolls. 2008 is her last chance for a champion ship.

Rena - a early exit in 2006 but a final four in 2007. Always a strong candidate but she surprise everyone with a surprise win over one 2007's favorites Kagami. Will she take anyone home in 2008 or will revenge votes force her home early.

Rika - 2007 Saimoe Champion and biggest Dark Horse since Chiakru-sama in 2006. She did very well in 2007 but if she gets a unlucky draw early, Rika will most likely take a early Exit.

They're eligible?
YES!
Thank you Oyashiro-sama!

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Kagami - The purple hair tsundere was one of the favorites going into Saimoe 2007 with the largest number of vote in the preliminary rounds. Her lopsided early round victory certainly back up her status as a favorite but was unexpectedly taken home by Rena in one of the biggest upset of Saimoe 2007.

Nagi > Shana was bigger in my opinion.
And she's not a tsundere.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Nagi - Elite Eight in 2007. The blond loli tsundere surprise a lot of people with a victory over Shana. Will she repeat her victory in 008 or will she meet with a early round Exit?

Second Place > Elite Eight.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Shana - a perennial favorite of Saimoe contest. She has always done will but never been a champion. Will 2008 be her year or will she wait for next sequel?

She won Korean Best Moe 06-07, but never a SaiMoe.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Rei, Asuka and Misato - Eva was one of most popular show form 1990s and by the sales of the LE DVD rls of movie 1 (200,000+ unit in first week) it still is among the top shows ever created. However popular shows have not always done well in Saimoe. One of the biggest question of 2008 Saimoe will be how well the Eva girls will do with the voters. Rei was one of the foreunners of silent moe and Asuka was tsundere before tsundere became a otaku vocalbulary. Misato has always been popular with her beer guzzling, soft and hard side all roll in one. It will be very interesting in seeing they will do.

I'm sure that the Evangelion girls will be pretty popular, though they probably won't get very far because of hate-voting in later rounds.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

the cast of Clannad.

lol@KeyKyoAni.
The only Key-KyoAni to ever top 8 at SaiMoe was Kanna of Air wasn't it?
Key-KyoAni only stands a chance at tournaments like ISML where a majority of the viewers are outside and the voting population is overoveroveroversaturated with KyoAni fans.

Originally Posted by KholdStare

What, no Sakura-chan? Sad, since she's way too moe. Oh well, at least (well, I hope) we won't see KyoAni over-domination here, although if a Clannad character wins SaiMoe, I will take back everything I said about KyoAni, which wasn't much anyways.

If I see a Clannad character get into the top 8, I will take back what I said about KyoAni, which is a lot.
And Sakura's not eligible is she?
Her last appearance was what... 2000?
That's just seven years short of the time period.

Originally Posted by Reckoner

It's just that the characters that win these things are just the most popular characters of said nature, and in fact I don't think it promotes the idea of watching these different animes like some of you may think. For a small faction it may give people the heads up on series out there, but I would guess that the voters stick their votes to the series they've seen mainly, which tend to be the more popular ones out there, and the characters who get nominated for this tend to be the ppular ones anyhow.

hahaha.
Oh rly? I forgot that almost all subjective contests involving votes of any kind are popularity contests.
Presidential elections?
Whoever's more popular and has more support.
SaiMoe?
Whichever character is least hated.
ISML?
KyoAni.

[minhtam1638]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

I can never understand moe tournaments. Not to discredit those of you who work so hard for it, but I just don't understand the fulfillment that people get from these things. It all just seems like mindless entertainment, and if that's all you're doing for, no problem. It's just that the characters that win these things are just the most popular characters of said nature, and in fact I don't think it promotes the idea of watching these different animes like some of you may think. For a small faction it may give people the heads up on series out there, but I would guess that the voters stick their votes to the series they've seen mainly, which tend to be the more popular ones out there, and the characters who get nominated for this tend to be the ppular ones anyhow. I think it stagnates anime viewer ship actually.

Really, for those who run it, the point is to impress outsiders that you are involved in a website that garners international attention.

[KholdStare]

I'm not even running one, but the mindless entertainment is enough for me. Besides, it's not like I'm too busy to participate. It gives me something to do, really.

[Xellos-_^]

it is certainly more entertaining then watch 3rd rate celebraties dance or people who can't sing, sing.

[KholdStare]

Actually, I can claim that ISML improved my Photoshop skills by a good margin. There's a difference between studying Photoshop in school and playing around with Photoshop to produce something you want.

[qtipbrit]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

it is certainly more entertaining then watch 3rd rate celebraties dance or people who can't sing, sing.

Actually, sometimes it is, though rarely.

Aso, at least said activities will only make you facepalm over the general lack of skill in the majority of the performers (much less towards the end of American Idol), instead of having you angered over Tomoyo's win over Shana and Hinagiku.

Originally Posted by KholdStare

Actually, I can claim that ISML improved my Photoshop skills by a good margin. There's a difference between studying Photoshop in school and playing around with Photoshop to produce something you want.

Why is this relevant, KholdSecks?

[Reckoner]

Originally Posted by qtipbrit92

Oh rly? I forgot that almost all subjective contests involving votes of any kind are popularity contests.
Presidential elections?
Whoever's more popular and has more support.
SaiMoe?
Whichever character is least hated.
ISML?
KyoAni.

Yes, thank you for pointing this out, I don't know what I would do without your wisdom... My point is that because a contest is like this, it doesn't really make most people watch more anime. I only see it as something for fun, and hey I like to toss in my votes here and there in these things myself as it is fun. The reason I posted such a thing was because I once read a post by minhtam where he claimed that one big purpose of these tournaments was to promote anime that would otherwise not be watched. That is all.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

Yes, thank you for pointing this out, I don't know what I would do without your wisdom... My point is that because a contest is like this, it doesn't really make most people watch more anime. I only see it as something for fun, and hey I like to toss in my votes here and there in these things myself as it is fun. The reason I posted such a thing was because I once read a post by minhtam where he claimed that one big purpose of these tournaments was to promote anime that would otherwise not be watched. That is all.

that is the official line. the real reason is so we can bitch at each other about our favorite characters

[qtipbrit]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

I only see it as something for fun, and hey I like to toss in my votes here and there in these things myself as it is fun.

Yeah, you're right there, 95% of everything related to anime is for fun.

Originally Posted by Reckoner

The reason I posted such a thing was because I once read a post by minhtam where he claimed that one big purpose of these tournaments was to promote anime that would otherwise not be watched. That is all.

You're listening to Minhtam Nguyen, who hasn't seen about half of the series in which the characters of SaiMoe appear.
As KholdSecks says, he is a

Originally Posted by KholdStare

Bad Asian!

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

that is the official line. the real reason is so we can bitch at each other about our favorite characters

True dat.

Every round of ISML is complemented by my bitching about the results.

[Ash Falls Town]

And Sakura's not eligible is she?

Sakura appeared in Tsubasa Tokyo Revelations.

Spoiler for Sakura:

Yes I mean the Card Captor Sakura Sakura not Princess Sakura.
She appeared to give support to Princess Sakura.

I'm pretty sure OVA characters are eligible.

Anyway there are too many old characters this year it seems. Frankly I mainly care about Night Wizard and Nanatsuiro Drops but it seems most people have written them off.

Of course Yako from Neuro probably won't make the knock out rounds. (Yes I think she's moe).

I hope Nadeshiko wins the joke round though.

[qtipbrit]

Originally Posted by Ash Falls Town

Sakura appeared in Tsubasa Tokyo Revelations.

Spoiler for Sakura:

Yes I mean the Card Captor Sakura Sakura not Princess Sakura.
She appeared to give support to Princess Sakura.

I'm pretty sure OVA characters are eligible.

Ah, I didn't know that.
That's interesting though, two CLAMP Sakuras.

Originally Posted by Ash Falls Town

Anyway there are too many old characters this year it seems. Frankly I mainly care about Night Wizard and Nanatsuiro Drops but it seems most people have written them off.

Yeah, you won't have much luck with that.
I had forgotten that I had tried an episode of Night Wizard when it first aired until now, too.
Wow.

And to be honest, if I see Code Geass characters pretending that they're moe, I will find me a moe army and crush them or whatever.

[KholdStare]

Originally Posted by Ash Falls Town

Sakura appeared in Tsubasa Tokyo Revelations.

Spoiler for Sakura:

Yes I mean the Card Captor Sakura Sakura not Princess Sakura.
She appeared to give support to Princess Sakura.

The sad part is, I did know that, because I have Sakura's wiki page bookmarked and I check it everyday just because her cute face can start off my day.

Spoiler for picture:

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

that is the official line. the real reason is so we can bitch at each other about our favorite characters

More often than not, there is always a hidden side to any contest, ie they are never as "clean and innocent" as the seem on the surface

(YEA! mai waifu beats yours! *taunts*).

Originally Posted by qtipbrit92

And to be honest, if I see Code Geass characters pretending that they're moe, I will find me a moe army and crush them or whatever.

What's to pretend? They are naturally moe...

Given anything, I would take the natural moeness from Code geass than forced moeness from Lucky Star (Tsukasa especially).

Originally Posted by KholdStare

The sad part is, I did know that, because I have Sakura's wiki page bookmarked and I check it everyday just because her cute face can start off my day.

[qtipbrit]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

More often than not, there is always a hidden side to any contest, ie they are never as "clean and innocent" as the seem on the surface

(YEA! mai waifu beats yours! *taunts*).

The thind is that they're not clean on the surface. Even in a minor tournament like ISML, there's clear hating (a lot from me), and in SaiGAR, there was even more due to the heavy proxy voting.

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

What's to pretend? They are naturally moe...

The thing is that their moe is just... nonexistant.
The reason they progress in the tournament at all is from series popularity, which is why they don't progress as far, since it plays a much smaller factor in Japan than it does outside (SaiGAR, ISML, etc.)

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

Given anything, I would take the natural moeness from Code geass than forced moeness from Lucky Star (Tsukasa especially).

Forced moe is exactly what a moeblob is about. Lucky Star was ingenious in that it was able to parody moeblobs and still include one in its cast. Of course, it still doesn't make Tsukasa "truly moe", though she fakes it much better than Mikuru does.