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Clarste · 2012-01-29, 15:20

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Originally Posted by Evil_Sephiroth

meganekko is meganekko ^^

I know that is not a real childhood friend, but i recognize too similarities with normal childhood friends characters^^

I think it's a mistake to judge Hanekawa by her surface features. Moreso than even the other characters, Hanekawa is defined by what she's hiding. She puts on the act of the perfect daughter, the perfect classmate, the perfect student, but it's always been an act. What really motivates her? How does she really feel? And it's not just love. Or even if it was just love, you should still look at the reasons behind her love.

I won't say you have to like her, and I personally don't find her very likeable, but you have to look a bit more closely than that to really get an accurate judgment.

blakstealth · 2012-01-29, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Evil_Sephiroth

Like this? XD

Spoiler for scene:

fuckin lawl, just like that.

Malkuth · 2012-01-29, 15:35

@Clarste: During the OVA part of her arc, that was shown... that is the collusion between her true nature and the way she wanted to be perceived... being possessed actually made her realize it herself, well along with Hitagi "stealing" her "white knight".

Anyway, here the consequences of the events at the end of Bakemonogatari are obvious, it's not just the hair-cut, she is more outgoing, aggressive, playful... is more like she accepted the cat inside her (its perspective to be precise)

The former-class-president comment from Shinobu, I think was made in this context, not referring to the class-president's braids and glasses

Clarste · 2012-01-29, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

@Clarste: During the OVA part of her arc, that was shown... that is the collusion between her true nature and the way she wanted to be perceived... being possessed actually made her realize it herself, well along with Hitagi "stealing" her "white knight".

Anyway, here the consequences of the events at the end of Bakemonogatari are obvious, it's not just the hair-cut, she is more outgoing, aggressive, playful... is more like she accepted the cat inside her (its perspective to be precise)

The former-class-president comment from Shinobu, I think was made in this context, not referring to the class-president's braids and glasses

That's not nearly the half of it, based on what I read into her character. It's important to note that her problem still hasn't been truly resolved. And Kizumonogatari gives you even more to work with. She's way more troubled than a mere love triangle.

Malkuth · 2012-01-29, 15:54

^ I know reading (slowly) Kizu- these days... but didn't want to spoil :rollyes:

taichi-kun · 2012-01-29, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Shikijin

What was left out of the light novels this time...

Spoiler for chapters 11-12:

-Araragi asked Senjougahara where she left his bycicle, and she told him she parked it right next to a dump site. Araragi was a bit upset at the way the Valhalla Combi treats his bikes. He still was gentleman enough to escort her home though.
-"I'm right" is really the first thing Karen said. The conversation starts here.
-When Tsukihi and Karen confront each other, Tsukihi gives in. And Araragi, like Senjougahara, was forced to apologize by Hanekawa. With this the power relationship is clear.
-Araragi states Hanekawa is the real thing, there is no fake in her. For him she is like a second mother.
-There was a rumor that Hanekawa's change in appearance forced the school principal to take resposibility and write a letter of resignation. For her it was just an "image change".
-When Araragi hears their sisters calling Hanekawa "Tsubasa-san" he is surprised because he didn't think they were that close to call her by her first name.
-It's Araragi the one who wants to pretend to be nice in front of Hanekawa. Shaft left out the subject, so the translators had no way to know.
-Since Hanekawa was collaborating, it became Feather & Fire Sisters. It's kind of like giving wings to a tiger (a Japanese metaphor meaning that someone powerful has become even more powerful).
-When Araragi is made to promise he won't tell anything to their parents, he actually thinks for him that promise is as easy to break as paper, he just gave in because there was Hanekawa.
-When Karen commented that her brother was taking a girl to his room, she was very delighted. Araragi thought "one day I'll kill you".
-When Araragi called Karen "huge sister" and Karen just replied with "little one", he thought her reaction was weak. Usually she would have sprung at him.
-Araragi avoided to call Karen and Tsukihi by their names because he got the habit as a kid to call them using the -chan suffix. I wondered how a translator could do this part without using honorifics. There was a small omission on CR subs: "a rhetoric trick to treat them as children".
-Araragi commented the remains of the handcuffs had become kind of like bracelets.
-Araragi presented Shinobu's entry in an RPG style: "Vampire A has appeared".
-Shinobu stopped wearing that helmet with googles because it was out of fashion and lame.
-The Fire Bee arised from an infectious disease in the Muromachi era. People didn't know what was the cause so they explained with the supernatural, and they ended up creating a kaii. Similarly it seems even vampires started as some kind of blood disease.
-Araragi thinks it's a great misunderstanding towards human culture to view Senjougahara as an average tsundere.
-Hanekawa first took Karen to a hospital. She was really helpful, but Araragi couldn't help but think she was the one that led Karen to Kaiki, so she's kind of like a "matchpump" (one who stirs up trouble to get credit from the solution).
-Araragi's parents think Karen has just a summer cold.
-Araragi realizes that for Shinobu the idea of calling people for help in case Araragi was doing something suspicious is part of a special education from Oshino.

Thanks for this! I hope someday I'll be able to read nise... in english...

***relentlessflame*** · 2012-01-29, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

^ I know reading (slowly) Kizu- these days... but didn't want to spoil :rollyes:

Yup, and I want to remind everyone again to please not make any comments that allude to things that anime-only viewers aren't supposed to know yet. Even giving hints about what to pay attention to, and where the focus is (or how it fits into context) could easily spoil things in this sort of show.

(That's not directed at you or anyone in particular... but just a reminder that novel readers really need to guard their comments carefully because they'll inevitably see things that others can not, and sometimes may not even realize that other people won't see that yet.)

HandofFate · 2012-01-29, 18:04

so why does Shinobu have to live in Araragi's shadow now instead of like the corner of a room in Oshio's place?

ID555 · 2012-01-29, 18:55

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

so why does Shinobu have to live in Araragi's shadow now instead of like the corner of a room in Oshio's place?

Because Oshino is no longer there I think.

Anh_Minh · 2012-01-29, 19:11

Or maybe it's not so much "has to" as "chose to". That way, she's close to Araragi and doesn't get just watch paint dry.

warita · 2012-01-29, 19:16

I liked Bakemonogatari series, but the continuation is kindo annoying. I dont mind ecchi per se, but if 90% of all scenes show girls in erotic poses, it gets old pretty fast.

I am dropping this..... maybe a guy can continue watching this.... but for me there is just not enough to keep me interested.

Mushironi · 2012-01-29, 19:51

Spoiler for Ep 4:

Great dialogue, great animation and the surprise just glued my eyes to the tv. 10/10

NewlyGolden · 2012-01-29, 20:35

Spoiler for Ep 4 Plot:

And I love how most of the episode revolved around this.

Sackett · 2012-01-29, 20:39

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

so why does Shinobu have to live in Araragi's shadow now instead of like the corner of a room in Oshio's place?

In the original show didn't Araragi not have a shadow anymore? Because Shinobu is his shadow and she was staying with Oshio.

Malkuth · 2012-01-29, 20:44

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Originally Posted by warita

I liked Bakemonogatari series, but the continuation is kindo annoying. I dont mind ecchi per se, but if 90% of all scenes show girls in erotic poses, it gets old pretty fast.

This again... anyone complains about athletes in swimming being scantily dresses or about 15th to 18th century paintings being pornographic or does it reduce their non-porn value

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Originally Posted by warita

I am dropping this..... maybe a guy can continue watching this.... but for me there is just not enough to keep me interested.

By the same logic guys should drop it also because of the Koyomi service

Miyuki-ism · 2012-01-29, 21:02

Yea, he shouldn't be so cocky just because he has muscles now.

Spoiler:

Malkuth · 2012-01-29, 21:09

Zetsubo · 2012-01-29, 21:52

Hitagi is wise to be somewhat insecure where Tsubasa and Koyomi are concerned.

Cats are excellent hunters or thieves.

Only Tsubasa's self control has kept her in check when it comes to Koyomi... but more importantly, Tusbasa is a traditional type of girl.

As a woman of order Tsubasa had wanted Koyomi to confess to her first.

Hitagi also tried to make Koyomi confess, with he subtle plays and hints, but soon realised he wasn't confident enough to try it, so she changed gears and confessed herself..

That is the difference between Hitagi and Tsubasa.

One is openly passive, the other is openly aggressive.

Hitiagi is willing to change rules and adapt to the situation quickly, Tusbasa is not (likes to lay by the rules).

That being said... Crabs are delicious.

This is why Koyomi is really with Hitagi.

Hitagi is more "tasty" to Koyomi than Tusbasa.

IMO... He just has way more fun being with her.

Hitagi knows this but doesn't take it for granted as she knows Tsubasa (being a cat) could possibly steal Koyomi.

Even Suruga mentions that Tsubasa is the better match for Koyomi.

But Both girls, Tsubasa and Hitagi, are quite tough.

Cats have a tough skin...
Crabs have a hard shell...

I guess Nisio is working his stories with these things in mind ?

I wonder ?

Zetsubo · 2012-01-29, 22:02

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

god damn, this whole episode was amazing.
I don't get why Tsubasa found it amusing Koyomi called his sister's name with -chan instead of just imouto?
'

Hanekawa has a notoriously strange sense of humor.

Maybe its the cat in her

00Coyote · 2012-01-29, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

Spoiler for The thing missing:

Nothing will change on the BD for this scene. What is missing has already been claimed by Hitagi, and is stored in a jar somewhere in her apartment.

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2012-01-29, 18:04	Link #108
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	so why does Shinobu have to live in Araragi's shadow now instead of like the corner of a room in Oshio's place? __________________ ...

2012-01-29, 19:51	Link #112
Mushironi Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	Spoiler for Ep 4: Shinobu can talk?!? AWESOME Great dialogue, great animation and the surprise just glued my eyes to the tv. 10/10

2012-01-29, 20:35	Link #113
NewlyGolden Unholy Wanderer Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Realm Between	Spoiler for Ep 4 Plot: Shinobu speaking was practically euphoric. Her method of speaking, her laugh, and her way of toying with Araragi. I doubt that any episode of any anime will ever come close to this. And I love how most of the episode revolved around this.

2012-01-29, 21:02	Link #116
Miyuki-ism Corpse in Pieces Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canada/Ontario Age: 31	Yea, he shouldn't be so cocky just because he has muscles now. Spoiler: NSFW Spoiler: __________________

2012-01-29, 15:35	Link #103
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	@Clarste: During the OVA part of her arc, that was shown... that is the collusion between her true nature and the way she wanted to be perceived... being possessed actually made her realize it herself, well along with Hitagi "stealing" her "white knight". Anyway, here the consequences of the events at the end of Bakemonogatari are obvious, it's not just the hair-cut, she is more outgoing, aggressive, playful... is more like she accepted the cat inside her (its perspective to be precise) The former-class-president comment from Shinobu, I think was made in this context, not referring to the class-president's braids and glasses

2012-01-29, 15:54	Link #105
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	^ I know reading (slowly) Kizu- these days... but didn't want to spoil :rollyes:

2012-01-29, 19:11	Link #110
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Or maybe it's not so much "has to" as "chose to". That way, she's close to Araragi and doesn't get just watch paint dry.

2012-01-29, 19:16	Link #111
warita Dai-Youkai Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Vienna	I liked Bakemonogatari series, but the continuation is kindo annoying. I dont mind ecchi per se, but if 90% of all scenes show girls in erotic poses, it gets old pretty fast. I am dropping this..... maybe a guy can continue watching this.... but for me there is just not enough to keep me interested.

2012-01-29, 21:09	Link #117
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43

2012-01-29, 21:52	Link #118
Zetsubo 著述遮断 Join Date: Jul 2009	Hitagi is wise to be somewhat insecure where Tsubasa and Koyomi are concerned. Cats are excellent hunters or thieves. Only Tsubasa's self control has kept her in check when it comes to Koyomi... but more importantly, Tusbasa is a traditional type of girl. As a woman of order Tsubasa had wanted Koyomi to confess to her first. Hitagi also tried to make Koyomi confess, with he subtle plays and hints, but soon realised he wasn't confident enough to try it, so she changed gears and confessed herself.. That is the difference between Hitagi and Tsubasa. One is openly passive, the other is openly aggressive. Hitiagi is willing to change rules and adapt to the situation quickly, Tusbasa is not (likes to lay by the rules). That being said... Crabs are delicious. This is why Koyomi is really with Hitagi. Hitagi is more "tasty" to Koyomi than Tusbasa. IMO... He just has way more fun being with her. Hitagi knows this but doesn't take it for granted as she knows Tsubasa (being a cat) could possibly steal Koyomi. Even Suruga mentions that Tsubasa is the better match for Koyomi. But Both girls, Tsubasa and Hitagi, are quite tough. Cats have a tough skin... Crabs have a hard shell... I guess Nisio is working his stories with these things in mind ? I wonder ?