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2009-04-24, 12:29 | Link #1822 | |
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True, but it was the one of Marianne and her children that stood out the most, no?
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2009-04-24, 13:16 | Link #1823 | ||
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He also build the garden where they "always used to argue" on top of the government building, as it was already mentioned a few times. It seems slightly obsessive... xD Errr, yeah, anyway, no reason to doubt that Lelouch was Clovis' most impoartant person by far. Except maybe for Gabriella, but he never mentioned his mother in canon, so I'll take a guess and say they weren't that close, for some reason.
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2009-04-25, 20:24 | Link #1826 |
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Well... maybe it wouldn't be treason, exactly (then again, it's not a great sign of loyalty to disobey a direct order), but I can't imagine Lelouch outright refusing to return to Britannia after being discovered - it clearly would do him and Nunally more harm than good, since the only way to successfully deny the Emperor would have been to go into hiding again somewhere else, which would have been pretty difficult.
He could have tried to bargain - either with the Emperor or whomever it was that disvored him (convincing Clovis, for example, might have worked pretty well, even though I doubt Lelouch would have bothered trying, since... yeah. Not to mention that it would need to be a scenario without any other witnesses, and Lelouch not having the option of simply killing him). So yeah, it might not have been treason, but pretty stupid, and not Lelouch's style at all, despite his hatred. It would be like standing infront of a clearly dangerous lion that already killed your favourite puppy and punching it in the face. Errr... or something like that. xD
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2009-04-26, 07:57 | Link #1827 |
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Well, Lulu and Nunnaly could have chose to give up their rank and live as commoners in japan without being charged of treason.
I think Schneizel would have kissed his own ass to get rid of a competitor as dangerous as Lelouch, so he might have helped in persuading Daddy that leaving Lulu and Nunnaly where they are was totally the beeeeeeeest thing to do. But who knows, Curly-Charlie is a bit umpredictable in his decision, so, well, I don't know. Not treason in a military sense anyway, Lulu and Nunna were underaged and not charged with any military duty or something like that. And it was theri father to exile them, they do not flee to Japan to hide deliberately. |
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Charles wouldn't let them off the hook so easily - even though I'm not sure what he would do with V.V. around -, and Lelouch probably wouldn't even bother asking. You can never have enough "political tools", after all. Quote:
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But in any case, they'd need a good excuse for why they didn't attempt to return to Britannia, and they'd probably have to come back immediately.
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2009-04-26, 08:35 | Link #1829 | |
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What would be the point for Charles to "protect" Lelouch and Nunnally from V.V. when he and Marianne set their hell-bent sights on the Ragnarok Junction, which was said to be able to bring back the dead? Honestly, they don't give a damn about their kids. Schniezel would still have Charles to deal with and can two princes outdo the emperor? How about this for the excuse: "Well, you kicked us out of the house so what's the point in returning unless you didn't kick us harder the first time? We aren't even alive to begin as you so said that day seven years ago." |
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2009-04-26, 09:26 | Link #1830 | |||
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I'm not saying Charles would have gone out of his way to protect his children. But neither would he have wanted to make it easier for V.V. to dispose of them. He could just have married Lelouch off to China or something. Quote:
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A good exuse would be something like: "We didn't want to risk attracting the attention of terrorists" - something logical rather than something emotional and/or something that openly puts the blame on the most powerful man in the world. "We thought you wanted to be rid of us" might have worked, as well, if Lelouch wanted to pretend to be stupid and extremely naive, and if his father pretended not to notice, but... xD
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2009-04-26, 12:02 | Link #1831 |
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About Schniezel... I don't think he'd convince Charles to exile Lelouch and Nunnally. He, like his brothers and sisters, cared for both, apparently. It wasn't until Euphy's death and the massacre she caused before it that he became disillusioned with the world.
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2009-04-26, 12:35 | Link #1832 | ||
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Then again, if he and Nunally wanted to stay in Japan... why not? It's not like Schneizel would want to constantly hug them... I think. xD Quote:
Because I don't think he truly changed in the course of the series. It was more that cirumstances changed, and he adapted and used them to further his own goals.
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2009-04-26, 21:55 | Link #1834 | |
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... 'kay, done being sarcastic now.
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2009-04-27, 03:29 | Link #1836 | |
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And those occasions are hardly enough to disprove it. Him greeting and speaking to Cornelia was just him being his typical smooth stalker to earn other people's trust. And obviously anyone would be suprised at that massacre, doesn't mean he was concerned for "dear sweet" Euphie. He'll still do stuff to further his goals and obviously will still be suprised by something unexpected, but he never truly cared for anyone. That was the whole point of his character and I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed on interviews by Taniguchi and whatnot. Lloyd showed emotions like amusement and suprise too, but he was pretty much apathetic towards anything that wasn't the Lancelot or his other precious tools. |
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2009-04-27, 13:29 | Link #1837 |
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*shrugs*
In my opinion, Schneizel definitely cared... in his own, twisted way. He had no "attachments", but as he said: Lelouch was the person he feared and loved most. That doesn't mean he hid in a corner whenever his baby brother showed up, or that he would have hesistated to kill him if he felt it was necessary. But it's something. In Stage 0.884, Schneizel doted on Euphie, calling her "Ochibi-san" and softly laughing along with Cornelia when she told them about her idealistic goals, and he also seemed to really enjoy embarassing Cornelia by flattering her. Schneizel cared about his family, but he is not Clovis, who put Lelouch about everything else, or Cornelia, who thirsted for revenge when one of her siblings was killed. He feels, but he doesn't feel deeply, and he gets overs his emotions pretty quickly. He wanted the Emperor to spare Lelouch, but it's not like he would have felt guilty if that hadn't worked or if he'd later on killed him himself. A slight regret, probably... but that's about it. That's my interpretation of Schneizel.
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2009-04-27, 19:41 | Link #1838 |
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Well I'm pretty sure Kanon, who probably knew Schneizel better than anyone else, said on a couple or so different occasions that his "weakness" was that he had no motivation and not a single true thing he cared about in the world.
Him being nice to Euphie and flattering Cornelia was simply because being on good terms with them was beneficial to his goals. Cause he didn't really hesitate to shower Cornelia with a gun turret once the occasion arose, now did he? But oh well, you guys are welcome to your own interpretation I guess. I merely go with the one that makes the most sense according to what we're given. |
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