2007-02-04, 17:39 | Link #202 |
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Oh my bad, I did a 2nd gig search and didn't see there was an official thread. I guess my post got merged, thanks!
Here are my questions about the ending. Major spoilers obviously... --- Were we told who PM Kayabuki finally contacted that seemed to be of such importance? If so it completely went over my head. Shortly after the nuke was stopped there's the scene with Gohda on his cell telling someone that it doesn't matter, we can still use Kayabuki's actions to spur a Cold-War style military industrial complex (or something to that effect). But didn't Section 9 have enough evidence to expose the CIS' conspiracy and treason? I figured that threw a wrench in their plans, but did they have an out of some sort? I really loved the whole neo-conservative angle to this season's plot. After Motoko finally blows Gohda's head off, suddenly there's some kind realization after they recognize the American operative he was working with. Motoko flies out the window in pursuit. Then they cut to Kuze being offed by someone who tells him his country doesn't need a charismatic figure like him. I didn't really get what happened here at all. Did Kuze land in the American Empire's hands? The very last scene where the entire group is monitoring the Cherry Blossoms (?!). Everyone looks bored and waiting on Motoko's next move. Aramaki mentions something about a budget being passed in parliament, and finally Motoko gives the A-OK. I really didn't get the symbolism here, if there was any? |
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2007-02-05, 05:51 | Link #206 |
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On the bright side, with Section 9 still active and the American Empire (or just the CIA? Someone correct me if I'm wrong) revealed to have been working with Gouda to reform Japan, it leaves a lot of space for a 3rd season. Yay!
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2007-03-13, 20:12 | Link #208 | |
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IMO, instead of asking for foreign help... kayabuki mobilized her own forces therefore, pushing Japan towards being a true independent country. Gouda original intent was to push for a cold war between American Empire and China i think, using Japan and it's immigrant problem as a catalyst. Probably gaining profits through the military buildups from both country as what we seen from the US-Soviet cold war.
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2007-06-17, 13:13 | Link #209 |
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There were some REALLY good songs used as BGM on last night's second GiG episode, but after listening to samples of all three OSTs plus Be Human, I can't find them anywhere!
The episode is 5 of the second season, Those Who Have the Motive/INDUCTANCE. The first song I like is where Aramaki is talking to the Gov't people in the neginning of the episode. It's starts off as a percussion/bongo piece but then transitions into this great dissonant sounding violin track with lots of strings. The second song also has a really mysterious/minimalist sound....it plays when we first see Kuze and then Gouda working as his desk. I think this flute piece plays again when the PM recieves that present, lol. I'll be really upset if this music isn't on any of the 5 OSTs that have been released. I guess right now I'm hoping that it's on the Solid State cd, because that's the only one I haven't heard samples for. But on the other hand, I might have missed it earlier. And are there any sites that have a list of what music was played in each episode? I would really appreciate it. Thanks! |
2007-06-17, 18:40 | Link #210 |
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I'm not sure about music guides. But there is still a forum around that discusses specific Yoko Kanno music. Here is the link. Users on that forum talk about the little details of her music like where some songs first originated from and e.t.c. My point is; users on that forum might be able to help you track down those songs you're looking for since most users are big fanatics over there.
Oh, and the second season of this series was great. There are so many subplots but it's wonderful how the directors keep the series fresh. |
2007-06-17, 19:42 | Link #211 | |
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My guess is that virgins have less familial obligations or likelihood of tying themselves down to a family. Being a cyborg tends to alienate you moreso from human contact. So instead, they look for meaning in other aspects of life. I think the Individual Eleven virus was just supposed to push them into becoming terrorists. Also, the ravens in that scene were lead by a white raven. The white raven symbolically represents Kuze. Basically, Gouda and Batou were debating various aspects of the hero-myth. Gouda was trying to engineer his own social hero to manipulate for his own ends, particularly by making the refugee-nativist struggle worse . Last edited by Twisted Reality; 2007-06-17 at 20:09. |
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2007-06-20, 07:36 | Link #213 |
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^ I think you're more likely to find what you're looking for here:
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2007-07-10, 18:45 | Link #215 |
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Motoko has a cyberbrain. Togusa has a cyberbrain.
Motoko is a cyborg. Togusa is not a cyborg. See the difference? Apart from a cyberbrain, Togusa is completely human. Motoko (Batou, Ishikawa, Pazu, etc.) is a complete cyborg. Unlike Togusa, the only parts of them that are human are their brain and spinal cord. A cyberbrain is an implant that allows a human to interface with the network. "Mental communication" requires a cyberbrain. It does not require any other prosthetics or replacements. |
2007-07-10, 20:51 | Link #216 | |
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The interceptor implant, which is at the forefront of Big Brother surveillance technology in the future, requires a cyberbrain, correct? I suspect lose their sense of taste, and possibly smell as well. Batou cannot get drunk because his body breaks down any alcohol he consumes. Cyborgs do not need to eat, correct? Do Cyborgs need to sleep? Cyborgs lose their reproductive functions, so combined with alot of the drawbacks/advantages above, becoming a cyborg might not be such a great idea after all. What percentage of the world's population in GITS GIG2 time has adopted cyborg bodies, you think?
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I'm no doctor, but if cyborgs still possess an organic brain, then I think they would need sleep sooner or later. They might be able to "inject" stimulants to stay awake, but their brains would need rest sooner or later, no? Then again, I'm not altogether certain how much of their organic "brain" remains after augmentation. I vaguely recall that only a few brain cells are left after they become cyborgs. The rest of their brains are augmented. That was what led Motoko to muse (I'm not sure if it was in the movie or the manga) whether she still had a "unique" identity. The idea being that our sense of identity is derived from more than just a sum of our minds and bodies. So, if our bodies were artificial, to what extent can we still claim to be unique individuals? |
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Cyborgs are used primarily by the government (law-enforcement and military) as well as in the field of medicine. While the cyborg technology is very advanced, it has not spread due to staggering costs of installing prosthetics. However, the majority of the population has installed cyberbrains. To avoid confusion, a cyberbrain is a micromachine computer terminal that is connected directly into the central nervous system and the brain. This technology is extremely prevalent. In fact, those who, for whatever reason, refuse to connect via the cyberbrains are considered "stand alone" (thus the title of the TV series). Quote:
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2007-07-11, 01:29 | Link #220 | |
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Togusa doesn't have any cybernetic replacements. A cyberbrain is not a prosthetic. You are not required to believe me, but I think I've seen enough of Ghost in the Shell to know what's "supposed" to be and what's not. |
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