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Reaver4k · 2004-11-16, 20:14

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Originally Posted by SpOiLeR

i remember in that episode the director's son was like "i'm ur ally, let's mate and create a new world together". Lucy replied with something like "not with you".

somehow i have a feeling lucy doesn't like her own kind. and in actuality, doesn't want to destroy humanity (but is forced to do so).

I think she prity much hated everyone except Kouta

Oh yes, heres some more info on the DVD

http://miao.us/archives/2004/11/07/339/

Guido · 2004-11-16, 22:54

Although they do not longer follow the timeline of events at the end of the anime, in the manga

Spoiler:

Someone in a previous post said that Lucy is Lucy whether in the anime or manga version.

However, I tend to disagree. Because right now I'm reading through all the manga and managed to get to see up to volume 9.

I noticed several minor and subtle but significant differences between both versions of her, and believe me they quite made me to tell her apart from the other.

Likely the only reason that I will hate Lucy for is that she always internalized her emotions during the course of the anime. She always contained her inner rage and sadness. The anime portrayed her as a vicious, cold-blooded murderer with psychotic eyes.
I really do not like the way how the anime crew displayed her.

Not even when she apologized to Kouta in the final episode, did Lucy ever bursted in a rage of tears and frustrations crying out loud how did she suffered or whether why she hates people or ever saying, "I hate them".
We never were allowed to witness that side of her, the overly emotional.

In the manga, this is quite obviously different
And now can I understand why dreamless loves the manga version over the anime one.

Obviously in the manga, Lucy is quite up to be an Evil Goddess of carnage and violence. She goes totally postal in such mischievous and brutal ways. Takes advantage of everything or tries to make a winning advantage for her with the most despicable ways.
However, the most important point that I will give her thumbs up than the anime counterpart is that manga Lucy totally let loose of her emotions through her despicable and devilish slaughters and tortures.
In the manga, she's more disturbed and that allows her to freely express her inner disdain and hatred by making all other people surrounding her to feel miserable and then in hell. She's treating people the same way people treated her during her childhood quite obviously 1000 times worse since she has the vectors; she's reliving the scars marked on her from those painful times.
These twisted and devilish nature to the 'nth' power of hers has made me to understand that in her deep, core inside she's totally vulnerable and emotional fragile.

A theory that I conjured up as to why Lucy's totally devilish in the manga whereas in the anime she's cold-blooded is:

1. The other Lucy inside her psyche, the one you meant by the vector personality, merged and/or joined with the weak-willed, little Lucy. Anime version.

2. The vector personality totally engulfed and absorbed little Lucy personality that the only thing remaining of the original Lucy are her feelings for Kouta. Manga version.

And I can prove this with the following:

Spoiler:

If you ask me, I think in the manga, the vector personality is practically under control after switching from Nyu. Whereas in the anime, Lucy contains the vector personality but that does not stops her from killing out cold, however, she just kills right away without torturing her captors and neither she sights or enjoys upon other's suffering.

Another curious detail I could appreciate through observation is that the manga Lucy has two pair of evil eyes. The cold-blooded, psycho eyes (the ones that anime Lucy always shows) and the vengeful, dreaded, devilish eyes (manga version only)
If you're reading the manga, you just have to pay close attention to her face and be slightly scrutinous to tell those eyes.

Colonel- · 2004-11-17, 00:04

Very nice analysis Guido, thumbs up

Seriously, i can't wait til the conclusion of the story. My prediction for Lucy's end is that Kouta will carry out a childhood promise made on the bus. That's just a speculation, because i don't see any possible endings for her except for that. However, happier endings are possible if and onlyif she can somehow come to terms with Kouta, her friends, humanity as a whole, and herself. Who really is Nyu/Lucy? Is she the cute and adorable girl? Or is she a demoness murderer who enjoys watching other people suffer?

And of course, the Director's a pretty interesting character as well. First of all, i have no clue what the hell he did to his daughter. And second, what the hell is he really. Is he intentionally turning Diclonius against humans so that any chances of coexistence are reased? Or is humanity really destinied to be replaced by the Diclonius? Is there anything standing between humanity and the Director's mad plan?

Just an extra thought, i think the anime in a way slaughtered the commando dude's character as well (i forgot his name). In the anime, he is portrayed as a cold-blooded hot head who only cares for himself. In the manga, it shows that he has a soft side just like everyone else, and deep down beneath he is an altruistic hero.

Spoiler:

slayer · 2004-11-19, 20:55

can someone give me a site where i can get some not very sexual or hentaish wallpapers for elfen lied.. or perhaps make me one? haha thx pm me if you guys have something

Reaver4k · 2004-11-19, 22:07

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Originally Posted by slayer

can someone give me a site where i can get some not very sexual or hentaish wallpapers for elfen lied.. or perhaps make me one? haha thx pm me if you guys have something

LMAO!!! I dunno....

slayer · 2004-11-19, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Reaver4k

LMAO!!! I dunno....

hhahaha i watched the anime and all but when my dad sees desktop O_O .......... i smell trouble

Colonel- · 2004-11-20, 00:35

It's kinda hard to fulfill your request Slayer

Well err, you know, the creator seems to draw his female characters nude or almost nude every chance he gets

slayer · 2004-11-20, 00:51

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Originally Posted by Colonel-

It's kinda hard to fulfill your request Slayer

Well err, you know, the creator seems to draw his female characters nude or almost nude every chance he gets

ahh no sweat but if u come across some pm me plz

well im not really saying it shouldnt be completely unsexual or hentaish im saying like no random boob poping out of nowhere ahahahah

Reaver4k · 2004-11-20, 01:00

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Originally Posted by slayer

ahh no sweat but if u come across some pm me plz

well im not really saying it shouldnt be completely unsexual or hentaish im saying like no random boob poping out of nowhere ahahahah

I have a picture from the OST Thingy that is not Hentish... Which can be made into a Desktop

slayer · 2004-11-20, 01:05

email it to me would you plz...

my email is in my profile

Edgewalker · 2004-11-20, 01:57

Well so far I managed to see the first five episodes . Pretty good anime actually , but it has really only gone deep with one of the characters so far and the rest are at mediocre . Im hoping that answers will come later on right now ...

NoSanninWa · 2004-11-20, 02:05

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Originally Posted by slayer

email it to me would you plz...

my email is in my profile

Better yet, upload it to http://www.imagehost.org/ and post the link here. That way we can all enjoy this non-nude Elfen Lied scan.

Please!

Fronzel · 2004-11-20, 02:13

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Originally Posted by Colonel-

Just an extra thought, i think the anime in a way slaughtered the commando dude's character as well (i forgot his name). In the anime, he is portrayed as a cold-blooded hot head who only cares for himself. In the manga, it shows that he has a soft side just like everyone else, and deep down beneath he is an altruistic hero.

Well, he was slightly nice to Mayu, and he did clean up that beach.

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Originally Posted by Edgewalker

Well so far I managed to see the first five episodes . Pretty good anime actually , but it has really only gone deep with one of the characters so far and the rest are at mediocre . Im hoping that answers will come later on right now ...

I think you said that solely to het the 1000th post.

Maceart · 2004-11-20, 18:51

アニメ専門チャンネル。最新作やOVA、劇場版、懐かしの伝説アニメなど、超豪華ラインナップ！

can anyone translate that? seems like an OAV for elfen lied as said in the offical site!

http://www.vap.co.jp/elfenlied/#

Guido · 2004-11-20, 19:20

This translation is quite possibly to be utterly wrong due that I used Babelfish translator, turning quite inaccurate and imprecise to come up with a literal translation of the kanji.

Quote:

アニメ専門チャンネル。最新作やOVA、劇場版、懐かしの伝説アニメなど、超豪華ラインナップ！

This is a rough and likely incorrect translation:

Quote:

Animation special channel. Super luxurious line-up such as up-to-date work and OVA, theater edition and legendary animation of bosom oak!

MakubeX2 · 2004-11-20, 19:23

That sentence is referring to AT-X having a great catalog of anime.Nothing more.

slayer · 2004-11-20, 22:28

why dont they just make second season of elfen lied......... god damn it they go enough manga there to make a move + a season

SpOiLeR · 2004-11-20, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guido

This translation is quite possibly to be utterly wrong due that I used Babelfish translator, turning quite inaccurate and imprecise to come up with a literal translation of the kanji.

This is a rough and likely incorrect translation:

LOL that is completely off. That's why i never trust babelfish.. even the name sounds "unassuring".

Reaver4k · 2004-11-22, 06:35

Hmmm.... Just watched the first bit of the first ep of elfen lied.... Who was in the control room that opened the doors to let Lucy out of her cage??.... I also noticed everone was dead in the control room too.... WTF?

Trax · 2004-11-22, 06:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by slayer

why dont they just make second season of elfen lied......... god damn it they go enough manga there to make a move + a season

The anime ending kinda ruins that plan, they'd need a massive rewrite. Or perhaps an episode_13_v2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by reaver4k

Hmmm.... Just watched the first bit of the first ep of elfen lied.... Who was in the control room that opened the doors to let Lucy out of her cage??.... I also noticed everone was dead in the control room too.... WTF?

Hm don't recall that, I'd have to watch it again. I do remember they were surprised that one of the doors opened while there were no defects. Perhaps the director was behind it?

2004-11-16, 22:54	Link #982
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Although they do not longer follow the timeline of events at the end of the anime, in the manga Spoiler: Lucy went out all berserk after listening to Kouta that he could not forgive her for killing his family and then giving her a dreadful look of intense hatred. This happens around chapter 84 in the manga. Whereas in the anime, Kouta could not forgive her for the same reasons, however, he embraced her telling her that he liked her, and that she'll regret if ever continues on killing more people again. Someone in a previous post said that Lucy is Lucy whether in the anime or manga version. However, I tend to disagree. Because right now I'm reading through all the manga and managed to get to see up to volume 9. I noticed several minor and subtle but significant differences between both versions of her, and believe me they quite made me to tell her apart from the other. Likely the only reason that I will hate Lucy for is that she always internalized her emotions during the course of the anime. She always contained her inner rage and sadness. The anime portrayed her as a vicious, cold-blooded murderer with psychotic eyes. I really do not like the way how the anime crew displayed her. Not even when she apologized to Kouta in the final episode, did Lucy ever bursted in a rage of tears and frustrations crying out loud how did she suffered or whether why she hates people or ever saying, "I hate them". We never were allowed to witness that side of her, the overly emotional. In the manga, this is quite obviously different And now can I understand why dreamless loves the manga version over the anime one. Obviously in the manga, Lucy is quite up to be an Evil Goddess of carnage and violence. She goes totally postal in such mischievous and brutal ways. Takes advantage of everything or tries to make a winning advantage for her with the most despicable ways. However, the most important point that I will give her thumbs up than the anime counterpart is that manga Lucy totally let loose of her emotions through her despicable and devilish slaughters and tortures. In the manga, she's more disturbed and that allows her to freely express her inner disdain and hatred by making all other people surrounding her to feel miserable and then in hell. She's treating people the same way people treated her during her childhood quite obviously 1000 times worse since she has the vectors; she's reliving the scars marked on her from those painful times. These twisted and devilish nature to the 'nth' power of hers has made me to understand that in her deep, core inside she's totally vulnerable and emotional fragile. A theory that I conjured up as to why Lucy's totally devilish in the manga whereas in the anime she's cold-blooded is: 1. The other Lucy inside her psyche, the one you meant by the vector personality, merged and/or joined with the weak-willed, little Lucy. Anime version. 2. The vector personality totally engulfed and absorbed little Lucy personality that the only thing remaining of the original Lucy are her feelings for Kouta. Manga version. And I can prove this with the following: Spoiler: At the end of episode 3 of the anime, right after Nyu bumped her head due to the slippery floor, Kouta and co. barged in to know what happened. The personality switched to Lucy, and she did not gave any thoughts about wasting Kouta first, however, seeing Kouta's face that triggers the memories of little Kouta inside hers. Therefore, she stops her vectors just a mere inch of squashing Kouta's head, and then Lucy whispers Kouta's name with a concerned look on her face. This event happens the same way in the manga, chapter 11 of volume 2 but something's different. Kouta and co. are in the dinning hall, and then Lucy appears. As she watches Kouta and co. on the scene, she lets loose a malevolent and nasty grin as she's delighted to experience the twisted feeling of carnage. She launches her vectors toward Kouta and again this triggers the memories of child Kouta, she stops her arms, turns away and leaves while whispering, "I see", and letting loose another maniacal grin. If you ask me, I think in the manga, the vector personality is practically under control after switching from Nyu. Whereas in the anime, Lucy contains the vector personality but that does not stops her from killing out cold, however, she just kills right away without torturing her captors and neither she sights or enjoys upon other's suffering. Another curious detail I could appreciate through observation is that the manga Lucy has two pair of evil eyes. The cold-blooded, psycho eyes (the ones that anime Lucy always shows) and the vengeful, dreaded, devilish eyes (manga version only) If you're reading the manga, you just have to pay close attention to her face and be slightly scrutinous to tell those eyes.

2004-11-17, 00:04	Link #983
Colonel- Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ca	Very nice analysis Guido, thumbs up Seriously, i can't wait til the conclusion of the story. My prediction for Lucy's end is that Kouta will carry out a childhood promise made on the bus. That's just a speculation, because i don't see any possible endings for her except for that. However, happier endings are possible if and onlyif she can somehow come to terms with Kouta, her friends, humanity as a whole, and herself. Who really is Nyu/Lucy? Is she the cute and adorable girl? Or is she a demoness murderer who enjoys watching other people suffer? And of course, the Director's a pretty interesting character as well. First of all, i have no clue what the hell he did to his daughter. And second, what the hell is he really. Is he intentionally turning Diclonius against humans so that any chances of coexistence are reased? Or is humanity really destinied to be replaced by the Diclonius? Is there anything standing between humanity and the Director's mad plan? Just an extra thought, i think the anime in a way slaughtered the commando dude's character as well (i forgot his name). In the anime, he is portrayed as a cold-blooded hot head who only cares for himself. In the manga, it shows that he has a soft side just like everyone else, and deep down beneath he is an altruistic hero. Spoiler: The scene where he laid dead in Mayu's arms with a peaceful look on his face was really beautiful

2004-11-19, 20:55	Link #984
slayer essense Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Toronto	can someone give me a site where i can get some not very sexual or hentaish wallpapers for elfen lied.. or perhaps make me one? haha thx pm me if you guys have something

2004-11-20, 00:35	Link #987
Colonel- Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ca	It's kinda hard to fulfill your request Slayer Well err, you know, the creator seems to draw his female characters nude or almost nude every chance he gets

2004-11-20, 01:05	Link #990
slayer essense Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Toronto	email it to me would you plz... my email is in my profile

2004-11-20, 01:57	Link #991
Edgewalker Nani ? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Emerald Forest ( yes its a real place. )	Well so far I managed to see the first five episodes . Pretty good anime actually , but it has really only gone deep with one of the characters so far and the rest are at mediocre . Im hoping that answers will come later on right now ...

2004-11-20, 18:51	Link #994
Maceart Doremi-fansubs founder Fansubber Join Date: Mar 2004	アニメ専門チャンネル。最新作やOVA、劇場版、懐かしの伝説アニメなど、超豪華ラインナップ！ can anyone translate that? seems like an OAV for elfen lied as said in the offical site! http://www.vap.co.jp/elfenlied/#

2004-11-20, 19:23	Link #996
MakubeX2 うるとらぺど Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 44	That sentence is referring to AT-X having a great catalog of anime.Nothing more.

2004-11-20, 22:28	Link #997
slayer essense Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Toronto	why dont they just make second season of elfen lied......... god damn it they go enough manga there to make a move + a season

2004-11-22, 06:35	Link #999
Reaver4k Lucy's "Play Thing" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Age: 37	Hmmm.... Just watched the first bit of the first ep of elfen lied.... Who was in the control room that opened the doors to let Lucy out of her cage??.... I also noticed everone was dead in the control room too.... WTF?