2004-11-28, 21:23 | Link #21 |
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not JUST cagali. asurans been taking shit from Shinn, that lil poser. that lil whore needs to die. btw. where the fuk is asurans gundam?
i CAN'T wait till kira+ asuran bust out some shit and whoop the living crap out of the fuken posers/noobs. |
2004-11-28, 21:47 | Link #22 |
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Cagalli is my favorite char from seed, but lately she hasn't been acting like her self, she breaks down too often, it doesn't fit into her character
hope they try to restore her so far shattered char in GSD the most disturbing thing for me in GS was Kira's very unnessary crying... hell it sounded like someone was shoving a pole down his ass O.o |
2004-11-29, 00:16 | Link #24 |
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K'9999 - Phase 7 just recently got released by a fansubber, so there is no need for any rudeness. Some of us like to wait for a release from a specific fansub, or just don't download all that fast, but people who have watched 1-6, are still able to answer the question to the extent of their knowledge.
But yea, Luna does show a little more fan girlish attitude towards Athrun in this episode, so "maybe" there'll be something there, which could possibly be the reason for what Cagalli is going through right now. Complete speculation, I think it could go either way, either she's done with, or she breaks out of her shell. And Tron, I don't want to get wayy off topic over here, but honestly, her father didn't really make mistakes, they chose their path, it was not the easiest path, but it was the "right" one, which was the same path the heroes had chosen at the end, to go against ALL of them. He didn't quite side with the naturals, or else his island wouldn't have been destroied while they tried to take over their.. uuhh.. thing which sends people out of earth's atmosphere. He hid the ship because it was the right thing to do, because it was a ship destined for far greater things, and he realized this, he didn't do this to "improve his weapons" they teamed up to go against everyone, because once more, that was the right thing to do, because neither EAF or ZAFT had the right method. He stayed and died to protect his children, so they could continue doing the right thing. Your argument is somewhat troubling, and by troubling I mean, kind of false, and by kind of, I mean really. Cagalli has had a lot happen to her, more then Shinn I bet. Well, I'm just done.. Your argument is just, wrong.. |
2004-11-29, 01:57 | Link #25 | |
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Theres no such thing as right and wrong in war. The winner will decide what moral and whats not. Pacifism is a joke.. |
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2004-11-29, 05:05 | Link #26 | |
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2004-11-29, 07:21 | Link #27 |
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ryogax, in the context of SEED Destiny, pacifism as an idealogy is a joke (i.e. utterly ineffectual) since almost all the relevant sides seem to want to kill each other outright.
Taken objectively, pacifism is never a joke. Personally, I find it rather sad that at this stage in the 21st century, we can claim ourselves to be civilized while dismissing pacifism. I don't think we would ever evolve to the stage where we can overcome our baser instincts... |
2004-11-29, 09:10 | Link #28 | |
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Actually i think pacifism in Gundam seed asa joke..and yes I also think pacifism in real life as a big pile of dog shit. Being civilized has nothing to do with being pacifist.. Its just a fact that pacifism is an illusion..It doesn't exist.. Its just a word use by certain countries to make themselves look good.. |
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2004-11-29, 10:48 | Link #30 |
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That does sound plausible. Perhaps more feminine aspects of Cagalli have come out, except it's not the very desirable aspects - perhaps she has grown too reliant and hasn't sat down and carefully considered the situation. Her stubborn trait has now turned into something not very nice - once she is on a tangent she cannot think clearly, it seems... her heart hasn't really calmed down much.
One wonders where her sense of reasoning is. It's making Athrun, who is doing mostly the right stuff, by not speaking out so offensively and calming down and being humble and helping out, look like a genius next to her. Or maybe cos he is a genius. Perhaps Athrun being around has distracted her from focusing and refining her ideals the past 2 years, to the point that she is quite lost and confused and Athrun can't really help, since it seems (SEEMS!) like he's stable for the most part and maybe has lost his understanding of Cagalli. Ahh, what am I saying... It will be quite a pity if Cagalli dies... but when it's already come to the point where I'm beginning to see Lunamaria in a better light than Cagalli something's really messed up, eh
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2004-11-29, 11:19 | Link #31 | |
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2004-11-29, 12:22 | Link #32 | |
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albeit, it never works and pacifists always die a martyr's death. |
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2004-11-29, 12:40 | Link #33 | |
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but anyway were way off topic.. |
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2004-11-29, 16:09 | Link #34 | |
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Uzumi understood that, although Orb was neutral, they wouldn't be able to stay that way if they weren't well-armed. As it turned out his gambles didn't pay off as well as hoped - first when ZAFT found out about the new weapons and attacked Heliopolis, then when the EA under Azrael were willing to attack Orb to seize their mass driver. However, consider the alternative - if and when the EA lost the Panama mass driver, they would still have gone to Orb to "request" their help, and Orb would have no ability to resist at all - they would have been dragged into the war on someone else's terms. ZAFT would probably have attacked after that, with even more disastrous results than the actual Battle of Orb - I can't see the EA taking as much care for the safety of Orb civilians as Orb's own military did. I don't think Uzumi did anything particularly out of the ordinary in statecraft - he was faced with a number of doubtful choices and did his best to pick the least bad. Although Orb was still attacked in the end, they were able to preserve the bulk of their population, contribute significantly to the peaceful settlement of the war (saving countless lives on all sides in the process) and rebuild afterwards. I wouldn't say that points to a major failure of judgement on Uzumi's part. |
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2004-11-29, 17:11 | Link #36 |
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The population of Orb is composed of naturals and coordinators.So the presence of EA military forces was impossible without sacrifying the coordinators since the EA wasn't really kind with them.So Orb didn't have any choice.
And Uzumi never authorized any kind of cooperation with the EA at heliopolis.
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2004-11-29, 21:35 | Link #38 | |
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Talking doesn't solve anything in war.. You need to fight your enemy until their dead or surrender.. thats how you win.. The other choices will only delay the war...not end it.. |
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2004-11-29, 23:08 | Link #39 | |
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