New Dragon Ball Z Movie

[Robotech Master]

Originally Posted by GDB

It's specifically stated to be canon, so it's not an alternate universe. They just forgot about Gohan again. And since they already updated it once to have his SSJ be flashier, I doubt they're going to remove it.

Well, even when they forgot about it in Battle of the Gods and redrew it with him using his Mystic Form, they still had him using SSJ near the end to help Goku reach the god state.

So...I guess its established that he can go SSJ if he wants to...it's just that you'd imagine SSJ would actually be the weaker transformation compared to unleashing all of his innate potential.

[GDB]

No, they just forgot to fix it in the ritual. Or felt it was too much work. After all, it's not like the ritual required certain levels of power (not that this would matter since he doesn't gain anything from SSJ since he has Mystic) or even Super Saiyans, since they used the unborn fetus of Pan to get the requisite 6th Saiyan.

[Saravis4]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

What do you guys want their new forms to look like? some over blown retarded forms like SSJ6 crap? .. Pff yea that'd look greeaaat...

For Frieza? Hell yeah. Look at all of his other transformations, a color palette swap is not only underwhelming, but is just plain uncreative. I'd have loved it if they put to use some combination of his third and final form. The third form was the stuff of nightmares and was way underused.

Originally Posted by Robotech Master

So...I guess its established that he can go SSJ if he wants to...it's just that you'd imagine SSJ would actually be the weaker transformation compared to unleashing all of his innate potential.

I used to think that SSJ was an amplification of a Saiyan's existing power, so a SSJ Mystic Gohan would be as powerful, if not more powerful than, a SSJ3. Now, I'm not even sure anymore.

[GDB]

Don't get me wrong, I hate the new look, but it's coined as an "evolution", not a "form". That's why it doesn't really look different beyond the colors.

Originally Posted by Saravis4

I used to think that SSJ was an amplification of a Saiyan's existing power, so a SSJ Mystic Gohan would be as powerful, if not more powerful than, a SSJ3. Now, I'm not even sure anymore.

Mystic Gohan was always stronger than SSJ3. And the Elder Kai clearly said there was no point to going Super Saiyan for him, because it wouldn't make him any stronger. Mystic is literally the most powerful he can get (presumably he'd be stronger with God Ki, but that wasn't a thing at the time). All going Super Saiyan would do is put unnecessary strain on his body and a bit of power drain, with the benefit being... gold hair. No power boost.

[Saravis4]

Originally Posted by GDB

Mystic Gohan was always stronger than SSJ3. And the Elder Kai clearly said there was no point to going Super Saiyan for him, because it wouldn't make him any stronger. Mystic is literally the most powerful he can get (presumably he'd be stronger with God Ki, but that wasn't a thing at the time). All going Super Saiyan would do is put unnecessary strain on his body and a bit of power drain, with the benefit being... gold hair. No power boost.

I never really put any confidence in any claims of finality or impossibility in the world of DBZ. Once upon a time, SSJ1 was just SSJ and West Kai, who was just Kai at the time, said Goku couldn't beat Frieza. If the series had continued and Gohan was to remain relevant, he would have needed to grow stronger. Hell if the Buu saga was to be about Gohan that claim would have existed to serve as a shock for when Gohan goes beyond Mystic Form, like when Goku went SSJ or when Gohan went ASSJ.

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by Saravis4

For Frieza? Hell yeah. Look at all of his other transformations, a color palette swap is not only underwhelming, but is just plain uncreative. I'd have loved it if they put to use some combination of his third and final form. The third form was the stuff of nightmares and was way underused.


I used to think that SSJ was an amplification of a Saiyan's existing power, so a SSJ Mystic Gohan would be as powerful, if not more powerful than, a SSJ3. Now, I'm not even sure anymore.

Yea, Frieza's is meh. But I find SSJGod perfectly fine. I was expecting just normal goku with a different aura. I was DREADING the thought of some overblown garbage like SSJ6.

[GDB]

I was never against the design of SSJ God, only the stupid name.

[Saravis4]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

Yea, Frieza's is meh. But I find SSJGod perfectly fine. I was expecting just normal goku with a different aura. I was DREADING the thought of some overblown garbage like SSJ6.

As absurd as SSJ4 or 6 or 69 looked, it did bring back something that had been abandoned rather quickly in the beginning; the Oozaru form. Strange that a form that was so integral to the Saiyajins never really played a role beyond the first arc.

[ChainLegacy]

Originally Posted by Saravis4

As absurd as SSJ4 or 6 or 69 looked, it did bring back something that had been abandoned rather quickly in the beginning; the Oozaru form. Strange that a form that was so integral to the Saiyajins never really played a role beyond the first arc.

It seemed to be that removing one's tail and focusing on becoming stronger in the humanoid form is a prerequisite to becoming SSJ, though. At least in the original canon it did... that Bardock movie screwed that up. As I've repeatedly said, these DBZ revival movies and OVAs just aren't as "tight" plot-wise than the old stuff. At least the fights are good...

[GDB]

Well, the Episode of Bardock was bad in multiple ways, mostly how he just randomly goes back in time. Why? Because why not.

[The Green One]

Well this is what happens when a series just doesn't have the decency to roll over and die. Everything that was once important just becomes kind of meaningless as they pull random ideas out of their butt to try to push things further. This was a good series I thoroughly enjoyed but it's past it's prime and it knows it. It should of ended years ago.

[SOGESNAKE]

Well... on the bright side... atleast "F" by Maximum The Hormone is getting some use with this movie...

I mean, considering how old the song is, I was really surprised to see it used in that trailer.

[FlareKnight]

After seeing that trailer, not sure what to say. Other than, did Gohan who should pretty well be the most powerful character get knocked out by a Freeza lackey?

Plus I'm not even sure why Freeza really needs to go after Goku. Didn't the trailer even make a point that Trunks is the one who chopped him into pieces and killed him? Shouldn't he be looking into time travel so he can settle that score?

Oh well, the freeza song was funny to have in there. Very fitting.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by SOGESNAKE

Well... on the bright side... atleast "F" by Maximum The Hormone is getting some use with this movie...

I mean, considering how old the song is, I was really surprised to see it used in that trailer.

Rumor is that song is actually what inspired Toriyama to reuse Frieza again.

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

After seeing that trailer, not sure what to say. Other than, did Gohan who should pretty well be the most powerful character get knocked out by a Freeza lackey?

Unfortunately, it appears so. They really need to do a proper explanation for it too. "Being rusty" is no excuse.

Plus I'm not even sure why Freeza really needs to go after Goku. Didn't the trailer even make a point that Trunks is the one who chopped him into pieces and killed him? Shouldn't he be looking into time travel so he can settle that score?

He wants both. As far as he knows, both are also on Earth. He wants Goku dead even more than Trunks since Goku humiliated him in his defeat, while Trunks was just a swift and efficient kill.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Plus I'm not even sure why Freeza really needs to go after Goku. Didn't the trailer even make a point that Trunks is the one who chopped him into pieces and killed him? Shouldn't he be looking into time travel so he can settle that score?

He doesn't know Trunks' name, much less that he was from the future. He'll just kill whoever he gets his hands on. The first chapter of the manga revealed he is indeed planning planning to kill the two super saiyans he met. He will most likely mistake present Trunks with his future incarnation. He should have grown up a bit by now. Given that he and Goten aren't in any trailers or images, I'm pretty sure they're finally going to age them.

[Robotech Master]

I don't know what the explanation will be, but it looks like Freeza is going to recruit/train a couple of elites or something. That red guy is shown beating up Piccolo a bit, which by itself is already far more impressive than what any general Freeza goon is usually capable of, given how much stronger Piccolo is compared to Captain Ginyu.

Sorbet seems more like a Thinker than a fighter, so maybe he uses some kind of technology during the invasion to weaken Earth's fighters.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Robotech Master

I don't know what the explanation will be, but it looks like Freeza is going to recruit/train a couple of elites or something. That red guy is shown beating up Piccolo a bit, which by itself is already far more impressive than what any general Freeza goon is usually capable of, given how much stronger Piccolo is compared to Captain Ginyu.

It's more impressive than what Frieza is usually capable of, given that Piccolo by this point is at least as strong as Stage 2 Cell, if not as strong as Vegeta when he clobbered Stage 2 Cell.

Originally Posted by Robotech Master

Sorbet seems more like a Thinker than a fighter, so maybe he uses some kind of technology during the invasion to weaken Earth's fighters.

Probably. He has that ominous ring in the trailer.

[Gintokifan22]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

After seeing that trailer, not sure what to say. Other than, did Gohan who should pretty well be the most powerful character get knocked out by a Freeza lackey?

Plus I'm not even sure why Freeza really needs to go after Goku. Didn't the trailer even make a point that Trunks is the one who chopped him into pieces and killed him? Shouldn't he be looking into time travel so he can settle that score?

Oh well, the freeza song was funny to have in there. Very fitting.

Did you see the One Piece / Dragon Ball Z / Toriko special? Whenever the abridged series gets to these episodes or films they should do a count on how many times Gohan gets trashed or made fun of by Z people like what they did with Krillin or Yamcha.

This is just getting sad, GT is one thing but now it's just getting ridiculous ><

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by Saravis4

As absurd as SSJ4 or 6 or 69 looked, it did bring back something that had been abandoned rather quickly in the beginning; the Oozaru form. Strange that a form that was so integral to the Saiyajins never really played a role beyond the first arc.

SSJG is better than this

http://o12.metroflog.com/271/55/3/44...BBOONLYFCV.jpg

XD

[RandomGuy]

Originally Posted by GDB

Rumor is that song is actually what inspired Toriyama to reuse Frieza again.

"Rumor"?

He said it himself.