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Perfect 10 | 791 | 63.74% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 163 | 13.13% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 95 | 7.66% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 67 | 5.40% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 17 | 1.37% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 18 | 1.45% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 7 | 0.56% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 7 | 0.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 0.32% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 72 | 5.80% | |
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2008-09-29, 15:25 | Link #2801 | |
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2008-09-29, 15:27 | Link #2802 | |
TRUE! Lelouch is dead! XD
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So unless there is an OVA, or a third season that proves me wrong, I will list him as a casualty in this series and a noble figure that sacrificed his name and life for everyone. |
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2008-09-29, 15:28 | Link #2803 | |
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Charles never started trying to take over the world, Japan, and the rest of the world is at peace. Since Charles started the war, Lelouch rose up to stop him, because Lelouch rose up to stop him, Euphemia was geassed, because Euphemia was geassed and died, Schneizel lost all hope in humanity, because Schneizel lost all hope in humanity, he opposed Lelouch, Schneizel took the black knights away from Lelouch, causing Lelouch to oppose Charles plan and stop him. After that Lelouch, and Schneizel could have worked to restore peace, but instead Schneizel builds a doom fortress, Lelouch starts brainwashing people, including his Upper Class Twit family, and the world is at war. Due to that Schneizel is geassed into being Suzaku slave, and Lelouch dies for the sins of Charles, Schneizel, and Nunnaly, and makes Euphemia look good in comparison. How he did that was never revealed. Britannia was never the problem which is why its still around in the end, with Nunnaly, and the Royal Family still around. |
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2008-09-29, 15:30 | Link #2804 |
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Like I said, Lelouch was ready to stay the course as Zero until the Black Knights betrayed him and made it impossible. So this wasn't about bailing out, but about what the two of them could accomplish together. If Lelouch could be Zero, then so could Suzaku. They had to make it look like Lelouch was killed by Zero, so the simplest solution would be for Suzaku to be Zero. Like Lelouch said, it was also a punishment for Suzaku. Lelouch punishment could have been his death, or the curse of eternal life. And obviously if Suzaku is found out as being Zero, it would not be as bad as if Lelouch was discovered.
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Okay, far as I could tell Schneizel did not change because of Euphie, we don't know what caused Schneizel to be how he was, though Lelouch speculated his holding of his position as an Imperial Prince was part of the answer. And know, Schneizel makes mention of having planned for Damocoles long before Euphie's death, as indicated in a conversation between him and Darlton about contacting the Tormino Insitute in Cambodia, where Schneizel had a 'contact that would smooth things over' while Darlton was concerned about the prospect on calling upon them to engage the Chinese Intervention force way back in Season 1 Stage 20. I think the overall problem and message of the series was one concerning the world, and the system myself, hence rebellion and determination to tear is all down as Lelouch did. >_>
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2008-09-29, 15:31 | Link #2806 | |
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2008-09-29, 15:31 | Link #2807 | |
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Just look at the declaration of independence. By creating an atmosphere of peace, you encourage it, by encouraging it you are taught it. |
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2008-09-29, 15:32 | Link #2808 | |
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2008-09-29, 15:32 | Link #2809 |
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I think you guys are forgetting that regardless of if Lelouch dies or not, he still made a sacrifice. If he's alive, he still has had to give up all of his friendships and ambitions and everything he has come to know and love by going into a reclusive exile with CC. When the show started, his goal was to create a better world for Nunnaly and himself to live in - while he succeeds in creating such a world, his ultimate sacrifice is that he never gets to see Nunnaly again...him never getting to see through to the end with his sister the reason he started fighting in the first place, alive or dead, is his sacrifice.
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2008-09-29, 15:34 | Link #2810 | |
TRUE! Lelouch is dead! XD
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So yeah, Charred is on point. This is all Charles fault. XD |
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2008-09-29, 15:35 | Link #2811 |
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There is an inconsistency in the theory of 'must die to activate code' idea. That being Charles and the events in Episode 15... and V.V.'s entire existence.
The next problem arises in the code transfer, V.V. at the very least became disoriented after losing his code, but more likely than not (compounded by C.Chi) he lost his memories and reverted to a child. When Charles, died and 'supposedly' lost his Code, he was himself through till the moment he disappeared. Inconsistency is plausible here. V.V.'s immortality does not seem to have had death attached to it either. There is a major lapse in judgment if he acquired the power but the only way to test it was to kill himself. Charles would not have let him do such a thing, as it is borderline idiotic. "Oh don't worry, I'll be fine." The last words of many a man. Further if he was actively acquiring the power, as his words would imply, he'd be aware of its existence within him. He could, very well, grow up with Charles since the code wouldn't activate until the time of dire need, eg his death. Finally, the idea put forth by V.V., of actively accepting the burden of immortality (we hear it when he murmurs after losing his code) would imply that he would know full well when he acquired said burden. Further this, that if the code does not activate until a person's death, then there are other loop holes. For one, a person could unwittingly live out their lives without dying but carrying the code, and when they revive they revive as a desecrated corpse for all of eternity. What is that supposed to do? |
2008-09-29, 15:35 | Link #2812 | |
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If you take the conversation as you have, then you get no sense of burdern from C.C or Lelouch. Except for like one scene (Kallen) the whole thing is a corny, happy ending. Like I have stated several times, its basically the ending to a children's television show. |
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2008-09-29, 15:37 | Link #2813 |
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Wait....By your logic, isn't Lelouch an ass either way? You mentioned that if Lelouch went with CC to an orange farm and lived in like "paradise" He's an ass for leaving Nunnally emotionally damaged and Kallen also with emotional wounds. But wouldn't Lelouch also be an ass for leaving CC and not completing his side of the deal that he made in episode 25 of S1?
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2008-09-29, 15:37 | Link #2814 | |
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Then you can question how much of the conquering was doe by Charles, and how much was done by Schneizel, Odysseus and Cornelia. There is a scene where Charles speaks to Bismark about how "only fools wage war".
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2008-09-29, 15:39 | Link #2816 | |
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Lelouch getting right back up and getting some exile isn't dying for the sins of himself and his family, its getting stabbed for his sins and the sins of his family. Not that epic. |
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2008-09-29, 15:41 | Link #2817 |
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One can neither say with absolute certainty Lelouch is dead or alive. The directors specifically showed two scenes of the cart driver at the end. The purpose was to draw doubt, provoke conjecture, and ultimately create a sense that the story is still continuing. It's a literary device that makes the story seem larger. There is motivation for Lelouch to hide himself should he be alive, and there is the obvious acceptance that he is dead exactly as shown. However, with the motif of people "not really being dead" throughout the entire series it's obvious that the designers are trying to leave it open ended. Mystery is the one prevailing element that kept us interested in the story, and they have chosen to leave us with a little bit.
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2008-09-29, 15:41 | Link #2818 | |
TRUE! Lelouch is dead! XD
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