One Piece - Chapter 659 [manga]

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by game2007

And I don't really think Buggy is the kind of character who would want to be a Shichibukai. Other than the strength issue, which he obviously cannot hide from the government forever, I don't think he's the kind of person who wants to share his treasures with them (saw someone brought that up in Naruto Forums). Remember that Shichibukais have to share their plunders with the government. Furthermore, his ID crewmates look up to him and basically want him to become the next Pirate King, and being a Shichibukai would throw away that opportunity. That would make them very disappointed. Someone related to Roger lowering himself to the standard of a government lapdog? I'm sure that's what they'll think.

Buggy becoming a shichibukai is WELL within his character. One thing that Buggy needs to do is avoid a scenario where he is forced to fight; being a a former member of Gold Roger's crew would make him a higher priority target for the marines and becoming a shichibukai would get them off his back. Furtharmore becoming a shichibukai would increase his fierce reputation. Add that to everything else he has going for him and you find him in a position where the vast majority of pirates will be unwilling to risk fighting him, believing him to be just THAT powerful.

Its also important to note that i don't think any shichibukai or pirate has ever looked at the shichibukai position as being that of a lapdog; the rules regarding shichibukai are very loose. Really Kuma is the only one that seemed to act as a lapdog, but that's because he's been coerced somehow. In fact most shichibukai seem to use the position to advance their own personal agendas... it never seems to get in the way of their plans. Buggy would be no different.

Originally Posted by Randrak42

The WG knows full well that Buggy is a weakling...however he not only has a very dangerous crew of escaped ID convicts but he also has connections to Shanks and Gol D. Roger. In opinion, giving him a Shishibukai position is quite idea for the WG's image.

Do they? If i recall, the WG has shown no indication that they know he's a weakling. In fact, the message they sent Buggy right after the break out makes it seem that they believe his previous weakness was nothing more than a ruse he use to stay below the radar. His role in the massive breakout was him showing his "true" abilities.

Also i do not think the WG would knowingly risk making a weakling a shichibukai. After all everytime a shichibukai is beaten it tarnishes their reputation. If Buggy were to get beaten by some low tier pirate it would really do a number on the government's reputation. Especially when you consider they had lost 3 shichibukai almost back to back (4 if you count crocodile from not too long ago prior)

Originally Posted by Mateus

So we still don't know if Law and the gas guy are working together or if they are enemies, etc. Could the gas guy be Vegapunk himself?

seems like they are working together... afterall the samurai was clearly chopped up by Law and we found pieces of him within M's holdings. Furthermore, Law is a doctor and the giant kid's claim that they were originally brought their for some kind of medical treatment.

[TrueElements]

oh god yes...

[articuzwolf]

Originally Posted by marvelB

Nope, don't think so. I mentioned this before, but the PH guys referred to him as "master" (yes, in English) when using "M", so that's what I'm assuming it stands for. If his name really DOES start with an "M", then it's much more likely to be someone else aside from Magellan (besides, he's not a logia, as was pointed out before).

yeah but that will explain why a poisonous/chemical/hazardous/radioactive area like PH suddenly can be used as a duel arena for Aokiji and Akainu

normally it took decades for chemical compounds to just break into half (decay time) and it's impossible to completely disappear (100 -> 50 -> 25 ... 1.56 -> 0.78 -> ...)
but it will never go to zero, except someone that can withstand all of that, decided to eat the leakage for lunch

besides the "M" that we see in last chapter might be different to the gas/solid/liquid person that we saw in the previous chapter

[game2007]

Originally Posted by Mateus

So we still don't know if Law and the gas guy are working together or if they are enemies, etc. Could the gas guy be Vegapunk himself?

The gas guy isn't Vegapunk since he mentions the latter when he saw the damage done to the door by Franky. Plus, he also seems to hate Vegapunk. It makes no sense for someone to mention his own name and also hate himself.

[ronin myael]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

seems like they are working together... afterall the samurai was clearly chopped up by Law and we found pieces of him within M's holdings. Furthermore, Law is a doctor and the giant kid's claim that they were originally brought their for some kind of medical treatment.

i agree with this. law might be there because he's working with that liquid guy. as for what they're doing, they're probably trying to continue vegapunk's experiments.

[cj1277]

Originally Posted by marvelB

Aye. As much as I love Buggy, even I acknowledge that he's not really the fighting type. However, as was already mentioned his connections to Roger and Shanks give him enough influence to get away with with damn near anything! And honestly, even if he has to share some of his "profits" with the government, I'd think the extra benefits he'd gain with his position far outweigh the disadvantage of sacrificing a small portion of his loot. Besides, his newfound reputation would technically ensure that he'll have less hurdles on his quest to find Captain John's loot!




I'm pretty sure he's the real deal, since we never had any indication that "M" could disguise himself like that. If anything seems "off" it's the fact that Law is hanging around that island in the first place (what with it even being closed off to government personnel and all). There may be a possibility that Law is working together with "M", but it's really anyone's guess at this point.





Nope, don't think so. I mentioned this before, but the PH guys referred to him as "master" (yes, in English) when using "M", so that's what I'm assuming it stands for. If his name really DOES start with an "M", then it's much more likely to be someone else aside from Magellan (besides, he's not a logia, as was pointed out before).









Really, there's no guarantee that Law will be an enemy or a friend. Honestly, he kinda strikes me as the type of guy who'd whore himself out to whoever as long as he deems them beneficial to his cause (kinda like Doflamingo, in that sense). That being said, he could be Luffy's ally for now, then become his deadliest enemy in a future storyline. Again, it's pretty much anyone's guess at this point.


Also, as far as Law holding Luffy's heart "hostage" goes, I suppose that's a pretty interesting theory. Though the impression I had was that he presented the WG with the hearts of dead pirates, not living ones. I mean, we already knew that he could split limbs apart without the person dying, but organs are a lot more fragile, y'know? Plus, killing those pirates would be more befitting of someone known as the "surgeon of death".....

But you have to addmit it has some legit validity to it, maybe he didnt cut out his heart but what bugs me is the fact that the government really did think he could be dead along with alot of pirates on Shabondy when the fake SH crew tried to recuite. So why is that when everyone saw him alive when he return to the island to show respect for WB and Ace's death and tell his crew 2y? Maybe (and this is a strech) he said one of the hearts he turned in to the government was Luffy's but was really someone's else. And assuming he can still keep ppl alive after removing organs what if the government got them and destroy all the hearts hopeing to kill Luffy and just let a rumor fly around the world that he was dead. Tell me what you guys think even if you disagree.

[gazawraith]

Originally Posted by ZGoten

With the world government being involved in business on the island, does anyone else think that we can expect a bounty raise for the Strawhats after this arc is over? If I remember correctly, all of them, with the exception of Luffy, are still sitting on their bounty that they got after Enies Lobby. So it's about time to change that in my opinion, especially considering that the highest one is currently Zoro's with 'just' 120.000.000 berry.

Chopper's bounty will probably never change at all, though.^^

well, considering what Luffy has done in the past two arcs (broken into Impel Down freeing hundreds of prisoners as a result and played a big part in the War) I can imagine his going up. as for the rest of them... they've been pretty under the radar. I think that after Luffy Smoker isn't too bothered about the rest of the SH crew. he could probably take most of them down fairly easy.

[grey_1960]

Originally Posted by cj1277

But you have to addmit it has some legit validity to it, maybe he didnt cut out his heart but what bugs me is the fact that the government really did think he could be dead along with alot of pirates on Shabondy when the fake SH crew tried to recuite. So why is that when everyone saw him alive when he return to the island to show respect for WB and Ace's death and tell his crew 2y? Maybe (and this is a strech) he said one of the hearts he turned in to the government was Luffy's but was really someone's else. And assuming he can still keep ppl alive after removing organs what if the government got them and destroy all the hearts hopeing to kill Luffy and just let a rumor fly around the world that he was dead. Tell me what you guys think even if you disagree.

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The only part is the WG or Law would most likely keep the heart not destroy it. Luffy is a contender to the One piece. The Marines know Luffy's potential and so does law. Keeping or trading his heart to the WG would be beneficial. I could see Law removing Luffy's heart during surgery. Know one would notice it was gone unless Luffy was stabbed in the area were the heart would be. Also if you look at Law's power the body part still functions as long has Law does it with the Devil fruit. Two the Samurai head was breathing hard because his torso was fighting Brooks. That shows that even when the body part split up they feel each other. I could see Law operating on Luffy to save his life. He cuts him open takes the heart out with his powers. Then he sows Luffy back up fixes his problems and sends him on his marry way. So if the WG or Law had the heart they could kill Luffy when it best suits them, like after Luffy defeats all the pirates or reaches one piece. Why do all the work when you can just have someone else do it?

It is kind of a good theory. Couple people on this forum has mentioned it. It is something to think about. The Facts are, Luffy life was saved by Law, Law did operation on Luffy, Law's powers allow the body part to maintain its function, Law did trade 100 pirates hearts to the WG for Shichibukai status, and Law is a skilled doctor. Oda could have easily changed the story around. Like instead of Luffy going with Law, Shanks takes luffy and has Crocus do the life saving surgery. Oda could have also used vegapunk or even made up a doctor. Instead Oda chooses Law of all doctors with the power to split body parts. The facts that mentioned above and in other posting are some what a little to convenient to be just coincidental. We don't know the detail of the trade between Law and WG. They could have been living hearts and one of them could have been Luffy's.

Now what could you do with 100 beating hearts? The WG could manipulate the pirates into doing things like spying, information, killing them, and even make them work for the WG. It would be like Pirates of the Carribbean. I doubt Luffy would accept being manipulated like that. So the best option for WG or Law is to kill Luffy after he has finished destroying the competition or found one piece. You and everyone else who thought about the idea could be on to something.

[Poetic Justice]

Law being there was predicted by most folks, So let's hope for some more unusual developments.

[MihawkXGP]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Buggy becoming a shichibukai is WELL within his character. One thing that Buggy needs to do is avoid a scenario where he is forced to fight; being a a former member of Gold Roger's crew would make him a higher priority target for the marines and becoming a shichibukai would get them off his back. Furtharmore becoming a shichibukai would increase his fierce reputation. Add that to everything else he has going for him and you find him in a position where the vast majority of pirates will be unwilling to risk fighting him, believing him to be just THAT powerful.

Its also important to note that i don't think any shichibukai or pirate has ever looked at the shichibukai position as being that of a lapdog; the rules regarding shichibukai are very loose. Really Kuma is the only one that seemed to act as a lapdog, but that's because he's been coerced somehow. In fact most shichibukai seem to use the position to advance their own personal agendas... it never seems to get in the way of their plans. Buggy would be no different.



Do they? If i recall, the WG has shown no indication that they know he's a weakling. In fact, the message they sent Buggy right after the break out makes it seem that they believe his previous weakness was nothing more than a ruse he use to stay below the radar. His role in the massive breakout was him showing his "true" abilities.

Also i do not think the WG would knowingly risk making a weakling a shichibukai. After all everytime a shichibukai is beaten it tarnishes their reputation. If Buggy were to get beaten by some low tier pirate it would really do a number on the government's reputation. Especially when you consider they had lost 3 shichibukai almost back to back (4 if you count crocodile from not too long ago prior)


seems like they are working together... afterall the samurai was clearly chopped up by Law and we found pieces of him within M's holdings. Furthermore, Law is a doctor and the giant kid's claim that they were originally brought their for some kind of medical treatment.

I can easily see Buggy lucking his way through his postion as Shichbukai.
His DF can be very useful, if only he learns to utilise it better and at least attempt to get a little stronger....
But his reputation alone will keep most people away - since they're not exactly gonna want the WG on their trail or Shanks for that matter.

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by Poetic Justice

Law being there was predicted by most folks, So let's hope for some more unusual developments.

As if the crazy weather, mutants, giant babies, and dismembered samurai body parts weren't unusual enough?



Anyways, kinda surprised that nobody else seemed to bring it up yet, but I think that it's pretty much guaranteed that Law has some degree of mastery over haki at this point. Though if I had to guess, he'd be more proficient at using CoO than CoA. After all, as a pirate who doubles as a doctor/surgeon, I'd think that sharpening his observation skills would be of the utmost importance in order to separate those limbs/organs with such pinpoint precision.....

[Poetic Justice]

Originally Posted by marvelB

As if the crazy weather, mutants, giant babies, and dismembered samurai body parts weren't unusual enough?

I want moar craziness.

[Mateus]

Originally Posted by Poetic Justice

I want moar craziness.

As one of my personal favorite manga-ka next to Takehiko Inoue & Hirohiko Araki, I have no doubt that Oda can and WILL deliver

[paradox13]

If i recall, the WG has shown no indication that they know he's a weakling

Anyone with decent ability in observation (see most VAs and above) can sense Buggy's true strength.

Remember Mihawk's speech to Zoro when they first met? 'Those who are truly strong can gauge the true strength of their opponents'.

It would be pretty ridiculous for the WG to offer Buggy a spot on the Shichibukai.

[yakumo-chan]

I dont like buggy...

I cant find a reason why Gold Roger recuited him,, and i dont find a reason why shanks befriended him.... he is a bad guy and he tried to kill luffy once...

[Nightmare-Kun]

Originally Posted by paradox13

Anyone with decent ability in observation (see most VAs and above) can sense Buggy's true strength.

Remember Mihawk's speech to Zoro when they first met? 'Those who are truly strong can gauge the true strength of their opponents'.

It would be pretty ridiculous for the WG to offer Buggy a spot on the Shichibukai.

while it's probably true that they don't see buggy himself as a threat they see his "crew" which now consists of several well known and feared criminals from impel down. so because these people follow buggy they consider the buggy pirates a threat.

[marvelB]

Originally Posted by paradox13

It would be pretty ridiculous for the WG to offer Buggy a spot on the Shichibukai.

Is it really, now? Putting his physical strength aside, Buggy still had enough charm and charisma to gain all those followers from Impel Down. And I think I mentioned this before, but his reputation and influence could more than make up for his lack of physical power if he ends up recruiting more powerful pirates by his side. And frankly, if Marineford was any indication, any new followers he gained over the skip would be too blinded by their admiration for him to realize how strong he really is.



Another thing to realize is that recruiting Buggy would actually make for good publicity for the WG: "Hey guys, remember that pirate king we decapitated a couple decades ago? Of course you do! We even killed his son in that big war a couple years back! Well, guess what? We even got one of his top men to join our side! And he's a dude who can't die if you cut him apart! Oh, AND he's got a big group of well-known pirates as part of his crew too, BTW. WG, WUT WUT!"

[Jouten]

Originally Posted by grey_1960

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Now what could you do with 100 beating hearts? The WG could manipulate the pirates into doing things like spying, information, killing them, and even make them work for the WG. It would be like Pirates of the Carribbean. I doubt Luffy would accept being manipulated like that. So the best option for WG or Law is to kill Luffy after he has finished destroying the competition or found one piece. You and everyone else who thought about the idea could be on to something.

It would be exactly like in pirates of the Carribbean and that's the only reason why I hope OP will not take this route, because otherwise we will have to watch PotC 3 One Piece style. At least not Luffy's heart. I think Rayleigh with his uber Haki should've noticed if Luffy's heart is missing (you can assume that that's something you can see with CoO, right?) and also don't you notice when your heart is missing? Like when you put your hand on your chest? But I can see the WG having 100 hearts of very strong pirates who they're now forcing to work for them.

[golgo13]

Originally Posted by paradox13

Anyone with decent ability in observation (see most VAs and above) can sense Buggy's true strength.

Remember Mihawk's speech to Zoro when they first met? 'Those who are truly strong can gauge the true strength of their opponents'.

It would be pretty ridiculous for the WG to offer Buggy a spot on the Shichibukai.

Hearing this talk about recognizing Buggy's strength, I'm always reminded of chapter 546 page 13 and daz bones

[grey_1960]

Originally Posted by Jouten

It would be exactly like in pirates of the Carribbean and that's the only reason why I hope OP will not take this route, because otherwise we will have to watch PotC 3 One Piece style. At least not Luffy's heart. I think Rayleigh with his uber Haki should've noticed if Luffy's heart is missing (you can assume that that's something you can see with CoO, right?) and also don't you notice when your heart is missing? Like when you put your hand on your chest? But I can see the WG having 100 hearts of very strong pirates who they're now forcing to work for them.

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Even if they go the heart route One piece has way to many parties and the story is way bigger then Pirates of the Carribbean. That heart issue would only be fraction of the issue. As for Haki I don't know if it can. But if Rayleigh did not catch it over the two years with Luffy then I do not see him catching it now. Law's power allow the body part to function without having to be there. Luffy would not notice until someone inflicted damage to it.