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Kuro doesn't plan to replace sariel to support the system. To kuro, who lost sariel, the planet is useless. He just wants to expand all his energy and use it to try to fix the planet. He plans to sacrifice himself. He doesn't plans to stay that long and just go die after using all his energy.
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I'm not saying that such a thing would kill Shiro either, given her hivemind nature. But it would almost certainly cause a lot of negative side effects. Quote:
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edit: Something else that is also on my mind is the earthlings's original soul quality. A freaking spider from Earth have enough soul tenacity to it that she can become god (granted, she's part D, but even D is suprised at Kumoko's growth). Could it be that the system is actually holding back the earthlings normal aptitude in magic? Maybe when the system is shut down it is revealed that Shun, as per usual in Narou novels, turns out to be even more of a genius in magic than Shiro is. Who knows, maybe it will then be revealed Earth is where old weary gods have their quiet retirement away from magic and godly stuff or some sort of prison colony for defeated gods and D is their warden.
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The damage to the soul is greater when they forcibly lose their skills when the system shuts down then when they die normally. So the chance of their souls collapsing is lower if they die now then if they are still alive when the system collapses. Reincarnators have superior souls because they haven't been worn down by repeatedly being reincarnated in a world with the system. Shiro becoming a god is due to a few factors such as her being a genius and have a small part of D soul. It was also speculated that the system was actually an experiment to see if people could become gods. Last edited by heroeric; 2021-03-01 at 16:59. |
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2021-03-01, 17:40 | Link #8729 | |
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Dustin is against dismantling the system because it would cause a large number of people would die which is the core part of Shiro's plan. |
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This discussion is tiring to read.
So for a few clarifications. Shiro is much nicer than she shows at first glance, however as a god she has a different viewpoint. She sees people's identity as their souls, not current lives, so she takes death much less seriously, but much more seriously the soul death that some people there disregard. Death is from her view like an injury and short sleep, but soul collapse is the final true death. D is vastly more powerful than all the other characters in the book combined (and even a fragment of her soul is OP by itself, thus giving Shiro's soul the strength to survive growing into a god), Sariel is a league below, but it would still take dozens/hundreds of Kuro's to match her power/energy. On the other hand, Shiro became god simply by absorbing the stored power in one Potima's facility, which means sacrificing her and Kuro (who has about the same) would not do much. The reason to dismantle the system is to use in one burst all of the power used to maintain it to mostly heal the planet. And by the way, despite Potimas screwing things up the planet is still in much better shape than when the system started and half of it was straight up missing (it was collapsing as a celestial body, not just being a dried-up desert). Also if Sariel is removed from the system now she will die, but her soul won't collapse. |
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If Shiro sacrifices herself her soul would die which would mean real death. How does that make her a hypocrite, |
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There is one being in the books stronger than D, Meido the maid (named after the Buddhist underworld)
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But okay, apparently the majority of death will be from the system shut down? Then yeah, Shiro shouldn't stop at just killing most of them, she should just kill every single living being. If you're going to inflict soul death anyway then at least have the galls to do it by your own hands instead of letting the system crash do it. If the people loses the system on top of being significantly reduced in number while still having to defend themselves against monsters, they are all going to die eventually anyways especially if Shiro washes her hands cleans after that.
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Unlike Sariel, Shiro hold no affection for this world people aside from some selected few, she has no reason to give up her life for a bunch of strangers, the fact that she go out of her ways to ensure that not all of them are permanently death should be good enough
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Same in the case of Sariel as well. If things are allowed to continue as they are and Dustin's plan is used, Sariel would not only die physical but her "SOUL" would die as well. And if a "SOUL" dies, then there is no chance of a Reincarnation. What Shiro is trying to achieve here is to stop the "SOUL DEATH" of as many people as possible. But Shun is trying to save the current Living, which would probably result in the death of their Soul eventually (what's the use of saving the living, if they won't have the option of every reincarnating again). Aka., Shun is stuck at the present and the "material" aspect, while Shiro is thinking somewhat of the future and the "spiritual" aspect. Quote:
They would die when the System tries to take the energy (by taking the Skills) from them. Because forcefully taking the energy (aka., skills) from the Soul's damages them. And many Soul's are already on the verge of collapse already (and many have collapsed already). What Shiro is trying to do is kill as many people a possible at once to overload the System with enough power that makes it shutdown its "forced immediate reincarnation" function (which is damaging the Souls), while keeping the "World Repair" function of intact (though this act would make some souls to go through Soul Death, as they were already on the brink of being destroyed and wouldn't have survived even if they had died normally). And once the "forced immediate reincarnation" function shuts down, the excess energy in the System would get automatically diverted to the "World Repair" function, and once the World is repaired, Shiro would break the System, to make the World free from it. Sariel could be taken out of the System anytime possible. But she is currently connected to that World, so if they take out Sariel before fixing the collapse issue of the World; Sariel who is on the verge of death would die and not be able to reincarnate (since the place she was supposed to reincarnate doesn't exists anymore).
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