2010-06-17, 01:07 | Link #11181 |
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I know this is a rapid jump from topics. But I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on Ep3 in general, and more in depth about the 2nd twilight thru the 10th. I have a solid idea that connects with all eps expect this one. I have multiple thoughts on this ep, but none are really that solid like the other eps, and in the end they are more like a shot in the dark. My other ideas are surrounded by clues and foreshadowing, but ep3's idea.... is not...
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2010-06-17, 01:13 | Link #11182 |
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I think the person who killed most of the people in episode 3 is Hideyoshi. Mainly because the murder method for Maria, Natsuhi, and Krauss looks like a man did it to me. I don't like the idea of Kyrie being a strangler I think she'd do something smarter.
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2010-06-17, 01:23 | Link #11184 | |
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Well I guess if Eva killed Maria and told him about it he might use the same method she did (for lack of creativity). That's all I got though I don't think there are many clues about why they murder people the way they do in that episode. Or in any of the episodes for that matter. There have been a lot of different methods.
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2010-06-17, 01:33 | Link #11185 | |
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I think the reason strangling was used, was they didn't have any kind of weapon on them, and they didn't want the victims to call for help. I think the weapon used was something that has been mentioned to us. My shot in the dark is Nanjo; using his stethoscope to strangle Natsuhi and Krauss, but that could be very wrong. Did they discribe the size of mark around their neck? I can't remember. |
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2010-06-17, 01:39 | Link #11186 | |
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Rosa has a scandal with Maria. Maria actually pushes Rosa, and Rosa slips, landing onto the spike. Maria just stands there giggling insanely after her dream that just involved killing Rosa a thousand times over. Person X, horrified at this strangles Maria out of fear before the demon kid. With these two scenarios, more or less anyone can plausibly be person X, but Eva is my preferred pick for both.
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2010-06-17, 01:42 | Link #11187 | |
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2010-06-17, 01:53 | Link #11188 |
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For the 2nd twilight most people go with Eva accidentally killed Rosa in anger and strangled Maria to shut her up.
For the rest as long as someone is faking it doesn't matter who killed who since there is no proclamation for the time of death here. Most people don't use them, but even Krauss and Natsuhi could've of killed Nanjo, and I guess the japanese fanbase used Natsuhi since that's what Erika's theory in episode 5 is based off of. Could you list your hints for the murder methods though? I've been assuming that different methods meant different culprits.
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2010-06-17, 02:13 | Link #11189 | |
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It matters because something rapid is happening that doesn't really fit with Ep 1 & 2. Ep 1, 2, and 4 follow a similar pattern and reasoning, but ep3 is different. Umm.. that is kind of hard to explain. Since it is more of a concept that is hinted at and not really solid points that I can bring up. Ahh I'm probably not making that much sense right now, but it is really hard to explain. But once you get it, it is really simple and explains a lot. Many strange questions that people have to thrown in new theories to answer, make sense. Most things just click together. Though it might not be right, though if it isn't it is one of the greatest red herrings ever! XD I think it is more of a concept that can only be understood after figuring it out yourself. Sorry I can't really say much; it is a hard thing to kind of explain. But I will give you some hint into my direction of thinking. Beatrice wrote these letters in bottles and sent them out; but most likely planted a bomb to destory the whole family; what for? What is the point of these impossible closed rooms; if a bomb is going to destory them? My concept answers these questions and more. Sorry I couldn't really explain it well. Though like I said, my concept might not be right, but it is backed up by many hints and clues. |
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2010-06-17, 02:23 | Link #11190 | |
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Spoiler for Culprit theory:
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2010-06-17, 02:31 | Link #11192 | |
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The middle ground annoys immensely. To be more specific about Rosa and Maria, here's a few interesting things to notice:
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2010-06-17, 02:43 | Link #11193 | |
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This also explains Beatrice's letters to the family and the murder choices. She is trying to get as many of them believing as possible before they die because of the bomb. She is trying to create almost impossible closedrooms to try and make the family believe that Beatrice is real, because the more people that believe the better chance the miracle will occur. That is the bare bones of my thinking. I could go into it way more, but I really don't feel like it right now I want to varify a more solid ep3 answer before going into anything more detailed. |
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2010-06-17, 03:04 | Link #11194 | |
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I.e. if everyone believes, and then the mansion blows up anyway, what good those short few hours of believing remaining can be to anyone, what practical, emotional or spiritual purpose do they serve? Answer that plausibly and it will all click into place. I have previously thrown out a suggestion that it may be that someone is trying to recreate Kinzo in Battler in the same manner as he does it to Beatrice in Ep6, and betting their life on Battler 'becoming Kinzo' and saving everyone, just like Battler bets his life on Beatrice regenerating and saving him in Ep6. This idea failed to gain any support.
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2010-06-17, 03:25 | Link #11195 | |
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2010-06-17, 03:38 | Link #11196 | |
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Mind you, that wouldn't be new, and is often cited as the motive for Shkanontice-based interpretations. Generally, such an interpretation is not well liked for the simple reason that such a belief implies heavy delusion if not simply insanity in whoever holds it, and involves holding up a contradiction. Namely, that magic doesn't exist, so you have to fabricate it, and that magic exists, so that all your fabrications are justified in the end. P.S.: There's another hole in it, but that one is easy to plug. Namely, if I believe that with no unbelieving observers within range, Beatrice will be resurrected, and I believe in Beatrice, so am not an unbelieving observer, I don't need closed rooms. Killing everyone myself is perfectly fine and will achieve the same result quicker.
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2010-06-17, 03:44 | Link #11197 | |
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And I think we have been shown that Shannon has some mental problems. Talking to Beatrice all the time, and if it turns out that Kanon doesn't exist either, then that just proves she has even more problems. |
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2010-06-17, 03:56 | Link #11198 | |
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Generally, such an interpretation doesn't win against more normal motives in everyone's eyes even if you provide a forest of hints.
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2010-06-17, 04:07 | Link #11199 | |
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And explaining why Battler has to believe is easy. BatterxBeato; a happy ending for both Battler and the Golden Witch Beatrice that Shannon created to take away her feelings for Battler. |
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2010-06-17, 04:13 | Link #11200 | |
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Mind you that's not really off the wall. Quite a few people see Kinzo in Battler and not just in his looks, but also in his attitude. Then again they say the same thing about Rudolf and Krauss. I suggested once that there might be a feud between the servants and some of the adults about which of the cousins they think should be the head. Didn't get much support either. Krauss seems to have put everyone in debt and the rest are not really better off. So if there is a distrust in the adults they might want someone fresh. Some may support Jessica being from the main family and some may support Battler or George. Battler probably gets support LATER though at the last minute since he kind of surprised people with his arrival. @laserworm: I'd say that theory you have going is kind of typical of what people think of episode 3. Making everybody happy by beleiving in Beatrice to create a miracle though sounds more like a motive for Maria or Kumasawa rather than Shannon to me. Even Kanon mentions Beatrice more than Shannon does, and while I think she also believes in it she doesn't mention the legend herself very often. She kind of avoids it as a topic most of the time.
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