2013-06-16, 14:35 | Link #3743 | |
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I thought it was out 16th but maybe it's 19th like Wilshere says. |
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2013-06-16, 14:37 | Link #3745 | |
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Besides I life in the Netherlands. But incest couples are not allowed here. So I have bad news for kirino and kyousuke EDIT: In Netherlands, cousins marriage is not considered incest and is allowed (but not everyone looks to it that way, most people also see this as incest). But sister and brother that is another story. Even Netherlands doesn't allow that by law marriage. Last edited by Sakuratsuki; 2013-06-16 at 14:57. |
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2013-06-16, 14:50 | Link #3746 | |
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But let us also thake into consideration. That it is not easy to write two hits novels after one other. Not many mangakas and novel authors can do that. But knowing that he could make Oreimo is such a nice story. I am looking forward for his next work. And have faith that it will turn again in a great story. |
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2013-06-16, 14:57 | Link #3747 | |
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2013-06-16, 15:08 | Link #3750 | |
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You're not alone. I find the "plot twists" and "sudden changes of heart" to smack into the "suspension of disbelief" problem. I don't object to the story ending so much as I don't think the author succeeded in making me believe in the parents, the other girls, etc. The manner in which the plot is wrapped up I simply find not to be believable so far. Manami's reaction is a bit more believable to me.
I call this the "bad puppeteer" effect. If a puppeteer is good, you forget they're there. If the puppeteer gets to the climax and all the puppets are somewhere on the stage that doesn't fit the ending - he jerks them to the proper location and you suddenly lose your immersion. I haven't completely reached that attitude, but the more I read and analyze, the less I believe that parents, Ayase, Kuroneko, would behave in the way the last volume is written. I'll wait until it is all done before I decide whether to file it in the "ah, I missed a lot of key moments" or the "wtf broken ending" file. Quote:
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2013-06-16, 15:36 | Link #3751 | |
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Is it romantic love that truly drives him to do what he does in the end or that anxiety of losing touch with Kirino again?(talking about bringing Kirino back to America here not the end of 12) You can argue both but I felt the romantic part of his character development was seriously shallow, kind of like waking up and saying I now am deeply in love with my sister(another problem with there relationship is they've developed so many new feelings for each other over a relative short period of time that it is difficult to tell where the familial love ends and romantic starts.) So they have an overabundance of feelings for each other and it's hard to distinguish what is truly driving them along. I'll end with this. I know they love each other and it isn't just "normal sibling" love but I think how they proceed into the future isn't going to be necessarily dictated solely by that romantic love for each other, just plain love. |
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2013-06-16, 15:58 | Link #3752 |
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To make it clear to all who say that he got a very sudden change of heart: 1- He was lonely without her 2- He cares for her 3- He worries about her 4- He helps her by accepting her ''life counseling'' 5- He got jealous when she brought the fake ''boyfriend'' 6- In Volume 8 he said that ''the idea of not losing Kirino to anybody just surfaced'' 7- He cherishes her more than any other person(she is the number one person in his heart throughout the series). Knowing our Kyousuke being dense as hell,it took him long enough to realize that he loves her. Just replace his thought of ''I do these stuff because its natural for a brother to do it for his sister'' by ''I do it because I love her''.
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2013-06-16, 16:53 | Link #3753 | |
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2013-06-16, 17:16 | Link #3754 | |
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2013-06-16, 17:29 | Link #3755 | |
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Of course, we might be having the same reaction if he chose another girl in terms of characters reacting as we don't expect them to. |
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2013-06-16, 17:42 | Link #3756 | |
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2013-06-16, 17:49 | Link #3757 | |
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The moving and hiding seems a bit much to me. Like it's more work keeping that up then the relationship. The author will probably never say whats what and just troll us for ever. I heard there are four different routs with this story in other forms. Novel,Manga,anime and a doujinshi. Most with separate endings from the main book is that true? Or five counting the ova's |
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2013-06-16, 19:35 | Link #3758 | ||
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However, I don't feel that his development of romantic feelings was unexpected. A big part of it was the separation of three years the two siblings had. When siblings spend enough time together they can not possibly develop romantic feelings for each other, but this is not the case for them. Kirino was a brocon three years ago, but because Manami created a rift between them, those feelings could never die down. As for Kyousuke, this three year rift caused them to be so estranged that he could never completely see Kirino as a little sister, no matter how much of a doting brother he tried to be. Trying to become so close to someone he hadn't acknowledged for three years was equivalent to him suddenly becoming intimate with a complete stranger, and thus romantic feelings could develop. Quote:
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2013-06-16, 20:13 | Link #3759 | |
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This was the question I was wondering too, particularly given that he said that he understood Manami, and I thought she was the one that was portrayed in the most different light in the last two volumes (and when people talk about people seeming "out of character", that is normally who they are talking about). Ayase and Kuroneko, though, seem quite in-character to me. So I am curious too.
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2013-06-16, 20:13 | Link #3760 |
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Well one thing to keep in mind is that fushimi can't write a full blown incest story for oreimo because the nature, the genre, and the fact it isn't really +18, all forces him to write much more tame novels. This and the fact that if he did his publishers would mad, and he would go on a blacklist.
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