2012-09-07, 14:10 | Link #181 | |
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Another thing that i don't understand is how could Madara be around when Obito "died" if Madara already implanted his eyes into Nagato and died. Is Obito somehow older than Nagato? I thought Nagato was older than Obito and Kakashi, but now i can't make sense of it... |
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Well quite, did you read them yourself? None of those quotes say anything about Madara's involvement in the whole thing.
The reason I mocked your post is because it was fine example of strawmanship, the fact that many people think -with reason I might add- that this Obito/Rin nonsense is a debacle has nothing to do with the fact that Madara has something to do with this. Note how I say fact? That's why your post had no real point, yes Madara is involved, we knew that for a fact when Madara confirmed it to Kabuto, when the author flatly said it in an interview and it was necessary anyway since Nagato is a decade older than Obito. Quote:
edit: and you know while I've no doubt that with a little effort you can find someone, somewhere saying something stupid about pretty much any possible subject, I still would like to see a link to a thread where people really argue about the fact that Madara has nothing to do with any of this. Because something tell me it would be the same kind of post you listed above instead of those mythical creatures who apparently still believe Madara has nothing to do with what happened to Obito. Quote:
You just have to look at Yagura to see one of the possibilities. Last edited by Hunter; 2012-09-07 at 14:41. |
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[EDIT] Sorry you're right. Hair doesn't grow. It turns out Shippuden Hinata (the one with long hair) is a completely separate character from the Hinata of part one (with short hair). What happened to the first Hinata ... I'm not sure.
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2012-09-07, 16:15 | Link #184 | |
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lol…considering how he landed, i assume he took off the same way. which means all the kages are alive and well, especially considering tsunade chakra boost by dan, she likely healed them all (maybe). besides we are going to need some old heads around when madara gets to talking. i was kinda hoping to see a sasuke perfect susanoo against bijou mode naruto, but things may happen different here…
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2012-09-07, 16:15 | Link #185 |
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^Actually, Hinata is a very different character in Part II. So, her change in hair is a reflection and v isual cue to her personal growth (similar to Sakura's hair cut). Tobi having two very distinct hair styles is very important to the character's history, how so is unclear (is it two different characters (which is looking like a strong posibility)? Or is Obito having some serious personality crisis?). Whatever the case, such a strong visual cue is obviously more than simply Tobi needing a trim.
That being said, no one here seems to be saying that Madara had nothing to do Obito's development. Rather, they have pointed out using Rin as an excuse seems like weak writing to them. However Madara is involved has not been comented on, but Rin's involement has. It is as simple as that. |
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2012-09-07, 16:40 | Link #187 | |
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A. Using Obito as Tobi is just a boring move to pull in the first place after making it a mystery all these chapters B. The first thing he talked about was Rin so it must be a major motivation ergo people complaining about how boring that is. Madara being involved doesn't make it less boring because Madara is always involved, him and Tobi are walking morality converters and instigated almost everything in history. People wanted something new that they didn't expect, instead they got exactly what they expected in a boring way.
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2012-09-07, 19:04 | Link #189 | ||
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When you have people here claiming "well Tobi couldn't have said that/done that because then the viewers would know who he is so he had to lie" then that's bad writing, unless Tobi knows he's a character in a manga. And finally, it's just dumb. It may be just my opinion, but the general feel and writing quality of Naruto seems to have declined enormously over the years, especially since the beginning of Part 2. I mean, it's a shounen - I'm not expecting a masterpiece, I have really low expectations, and I'm just reading it for a bit of pleasure, not for enlightenment or a great story. But more and more I'm starting to wonder if Kishimoto has just jumped ship and doesn't care anymore, and maybe makes his assistants or interns write the story. Too many things happen now just for fanservice or because it would be too hard to write it in a sensible way, because it would have required planning. As a great example of this, take the recent chapter where Juugo and Suigetsu are wandering around in the middle of nowhere and JUST HAPPEN to blow a hole open into a secret Orochimaru hideout they didn't know about that JUST HAPPENS to have a scroll with forbidden knowledge so dangerous it could be used to singlehandedly rule the world or whatever. What? EDIT: Regarding long-haired Tobi versus short-haired Tobi, I do expect an explanation for this one, and I think I've said before that maybe long-hair is Madara and short-hair is Obito, but remember that Kisame recognized them as the same person. Quote:
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2012-09-07, 19:06 | Link #190 | |
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If i remember correctly he stated that he died a short time after he unlocked the rinnegan. So it can't be that he gave away his eyes to Nagato and then lived another 10 years to meet with Obito. By the time Obito "died" Madara already had to be dead. So the timeline doesn't make sense if Tobi is just Obito. Or am i missing something (not time travel of course ) ? |
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2012-09-07, 19:20 | Link #191 | |
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Maybe Zetsu did it? But Zetsu didn't seem to be very important to the grand scheme of things, since if I remember correctly both halves are now dead without much fanfare. |
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2012-09-07, 23:18 | Link #196 |
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I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but these ideas that Madara revived or saved Obito, or that he trained Obito, or that he was the one who fought Minato don't make sense. If he was still alive when Obito died or when Minato was fighting Tobi then he would have been pretty old by that time. The Edo Tensei is supposed to revive you to the point where you died right? Well the Madara that's fighting now looks just like he did when he fought Hashirama. So if Madara was still alive when Obito died and Minato fought Tobi then by the time he "actually" died he would have been even older. I think for the Edo Tensei to have revived him to the appearance and strength he's at now he must have died not very long after he fought Hashirama.
Also I just realized that people keep talking about how Obito shouldn't have been strong enough in such a short period of time to go toe to toe with Minato. But if I remember correctly Tobi got his ass kicked in like 60 seconds in that fight. Last edited by Chrnoebl; 2012-09-07 at 23:32. |
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I've never seen someone with a sharigan being controlled to such an extent. Also it turned out that Obito was an exceptional sharingan user, not an average one, so i don't believe that Madara could have controlled him that way. But who knows, everything is possible Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-09-08 at 04:19. |
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Did you guys read the title of the latest chapter???
"Why until now??" which means, why is Obito evil now when he was a good boy(Zetsu reference) when he was a kid?? Spoiler for Obito's a good kid:
the image above seems to be likely that Kishimoto is really planning on making TObi to be Obito, So we should wait and see the story why Obito is evil now
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That was JUST revealed this chapter, it was because kalashi allowed Rin to die LOL.
I notice that on one of the pages Tobi has a tattoo/seal on his leg... I wonder if that's clumsy drawing or something important...
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i think its just the start to believe that reality hurts, it depends on how Rin die, maybe Rin dies in front of kakashi and he didnt help her or kakashi killed Rin
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