2013-02-21, 09:33 | Link #31921 | |
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If I'm not mistaken, the stake-servants complain that Yasu was the only one who doesn't have to be in a 3 person room, they don't mention that Yasu has a 1 person room, it could be a 2 person room (since Shannon is a senior, it's easier to badmouth Yasu) EDIT: Spoiler:
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2013-02-21, 14:29 | Link #31922 |
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I would still say that many things indicate that Shannon was an actual servant from Fukuin, maybe even shared a connection with Yasu, and Yasu tried to be like her best as possible.
It's not unlikely from any perspective. We know that normally Fukuin children only spent a very limited amount of time as servants on Rokkenjima and the graduate like from a prestigious school. Assuming the original Shannon was already a servant when Yasu started working on Rokkenjima, Battler might not have even met the original Shannon and the memory of other people might be hazy at best. |
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Let's say that's true though. Wouldn't that mean "original Shannon" is still around somewhere? She quit years before the Incident, and as far as we know no Fukuin servant other than Yasu was present on the island. So no Fukuin servant other than Yasu would be dead (at least not of any causes we're aware of).
But there are two named in the message bottles. Surely somebody would've checked the Fukuin records to see whether there were any servants by those servant names, or at least checked for real names that might match up. One of several things would then happen:
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2013-02-21, 19:15 | Link #31924 | |
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Case 2: There are four servants spread over two rooms, three in one room and one in the other. The most junior servant gets the single. Barring something like the single being a much smaller room, the servants would be very likely to ask why the rooms aren't split two and two, and why the junior servant gets the best room.
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2013-02-21, 19:24 | Link #31925 | |
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Genji is the one who decided the assigning of rooms Why give a junior the benefit of getting a less cramped room? Maybe that's what they are complaining about
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2013-02-21, 20:32 | Link #31926 | ||
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And when Yasu rewrote the world and she 'part ways' with Shannon it's stated the room was always a single room. Quote:
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2013-02-21, 20:49 | Link #31927 | |
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The other person would be 'Shannon', a senior. You could say she had another status (Like midground between Genji and lowly servants), so the stake-servants do not lump her together with Yasu and the stakes. And, assuming Shannon was a real person, she obviously didn't disappear overnight like Clare's narration seems to imply. And when 'Shannon' graduated from being a servant, Genji removed her bed and stuff and made it a single room for Yasu. What I mean with all this is that it's up in the air. It's not conclusive whether 'Shannon' existed or not.
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2013-02-22, 07:49 | Link #31929 | |
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There is this line before: 「つか、部屋狭いよね。お屋敷広すぎんのに、寮はケチりすぎー。」 Maybe she is complaining that the Ushiromiya, being so rich, should have enough rooms for 2-2-2-2 splits (we don't know how many servants live in the dorms and take turns, though), instead of 3-3-2, for example. Just trying to match the pieces of info, though. (Berune mentioning Shannon and the room split matter). Not being too adamant here.
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2013-02-22, 08:42 | Link #31930 |
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I reaaaaaally don't see it. If there was some other Shannon around, she wasn't actually Yasu's roommate.
That one comment from Berune really vexes me, I must say. Otherwise Yasu=nickname and Shannon=blessed name accounts for everything so nicely. I want a good excuse to dismiss it. |
2013-02-22, 10:18 | Link #31933 |
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What is this comment from Berune you're talking about? I don't have the script handy, but I don't remember "Shannon" ever being acknowledged by anyone but Yasu in those scenes.
And I commented a lot on those videos a while back, too. He never responded to most of it, though. |
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「い、いいですか。このお屋敷には魔女が住んでるんですよ…?」 <Yasu> L-listen. A witch lives in this mansion, you know...? 「おぉ、ベアトリーチェよ~!」 <ベルゼ [Belze] Ooh, Beatrice~! 「きゃっはははは! それ似てるぅ~!」 <アスモ [Asmo] Kyaahahahaha! It's just like that~! 「まさか、紗音ちゃんも。それ信じてるわけじゃないですよねー?」 <ベルゼ [Belze] Don't tell me you believe in that, too, Shannon-chan? 「い、いえ、本当にいるんですよ…。物を放ったらかしにしておくと、魔女が悪戯して隠したりするんですよ… 。」 <紗音 [Shannon] N-no, she really exists.... If you leave your stuff lying around, the witch will make a prank and hide them.... And after that, when Berune is talking about the key missing from the bunch and witches: 違うよ!!@ 私、ヤスに、紗音に、熊沢さんとかにも相談したの!@ そしたら、やっぱり魔女はいるって. ..。@ "You're wrong!! I discussed with Yasu, Shannon, and Kumasawa-san about it! And they said that the witch really exists... Quote:
Obviously, there's the matter of the servant name matching with the real name: 紗音 (Shannon) and 紗代 (Sayo) (same first kanji). But you could dodge that by saying that 70's Shannon had a different name than Shannon. (And who knows if Sayo is really Yasuda's first name)
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Couldn't it just be an unreliable narrator situation? Yasu imagines Shannon existing in other people's dialogue. She's already seeing and speaking to people and beings that don't really exist, so I don't see why she couldn't deliberately misconstruct other people's dialogue too.
Granted I don't like it as much as something that accounts for the dialogue actually happening, but it's a possibility at least when dealing with unreliable narrators.
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2013-02-22, 11:39 | Link #31936 | |
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Though Berune's sentence is interesting... although it might not be reliable, same as the scenes where there's Shannon and Kanon together with Genji. Oh well, I'm curious to see how the manga will deal with it though personally I tend to think that if a model for Shannon existed the parallel between said model and Shannon was the same as the one between Genji and Ronove or Kumasawa and Virgilia. |
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We don't know if Battler knows about a name change or not. (How can we be sure he'd know?) And even if he knew about that, it's not his business. It's a servant thing. Also, you could dodge those by saying that 70's Shannon had a different name (and look) than Shannon, if you assume a not 100% faithful 'narration' (narration that include image ). When Yasu becomes a Witch and disappears, and Shannon is alone in the room, that'd be like: 'Shannon' graduated and left the mansion, Yasu is a witch in her mind, and outwardly, she tries to be like the old 'Shannon' Yeah, this is contrived as f**k EDIT: 違うよ!!@ 私、ヤスに、紗音に、熊沢さんとかにも相談したの!@ そしたら、やっぱり魔女 はいるって. ..。@ "You're wrong!! I discussed with Yasu, Shannon, and Kumasawa-san about it! And they said that the witch really exists... This line happens in the Meta world when they are discussing with Zepar and Furfur. Can this still qualify as 'unreliable narrator'?
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2013-02-22, 12:18 | Link #31938 |
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Disregarding the stuff from the meta-part since it's meta and those theatre scenes have a lot of weirdness anyway...I don't really think that first quote from Berune definitively implies that Shannon's a different person. Yasu STARTED to mention the witch, then Berune cut in with a silly impression of Kinzo and then said "Don't tell me you believe in that too [like Kinzo does], Shannon-chan?"
Well, that assumes that Berune would even call Yasu "Shannon-chan", but she's not one of the original batch of servants so it would possibly make sense that the nickname 'Yasu' didn't stick when the new servants came in. Well, heck, we know it has to have been phased out eventually since everyone calls her Shannon in the present. (I wonder how Asune and Berune usually address Yasu, if they do at all? Can someone look through the script and check?) |
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Yet Yasu is, by his/her very nature, inherently unreliable as a narrator to some extent. So in summation: Heck if I know.
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2013-02-22, 12:49 | Link #31940 | |
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Drifloon has commented there a fair amount, too. LyricalAura a couple times. pikablu... some others as well. Not everyone has the same SN either, so there could be more I don't even realize. Not really. KnownNoMore was just kinda... weird. He made a lot of strange assumptions but then worked from them pretty intelligently. Also, his actual debating was quite civil, notwithstanding the arrogant tone of his videos. |
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