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View Poll Results: Lolicon, lolicon. Ok or not? | |||
Yes. it's ok. There's no harm, it's just a drawing. | 36 | 42.35% | |
Don't care, or I'm on the fence about this. | 31 | 36.47% | |
No, it's hurtful to anime and/or real life children. | 18 | 21.18% | |
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2004-10-18, 02:04 | Link #203 | |||
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About the difference between yuri (which means lily if I understand correctly) and lesbian, I think I heard some line like "it is more than friendship, but less than sexual love", something like that I'm still not very sure about the differences between GL and yuri/lily... I think GL suggests more sexual stuff? Yup, I know some Marimite fans will eat anyone alive who dares to say it's a lesbian/GL anime, it's really scary sometimes From what I gathered, it seems Yamibou is generally accepted as GL anime while Marimite as yuri/lily anime? Hmm... it seems to me that in western anime forums the term "shouta/shota" is much less famous than "loli"? Also it seems that Kaneda Shoutarou of Tetsujin 28 no longer fits the current "shota image" despite he's the origin of the term... Or just a lot of self-claimed shota-cons I know of don't consider him shota oh, one question, are lolicons strictly male while shotacons strictly female? I think there can be female lolicons and male shotacons right? Quote:
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2004-10-18, 02:24 | Link #204 | |
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2004-10-18, 03:35 | Link #205 | |
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- insinuates that "half of us" are doing something illegal Fits into troll definition? Hello report button? ( i haven't reported him yet, just asking what everyone thinks )
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2004-10-18, 07:20 | Link #208 | |||
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2004-10-18, 07:35 | Link #209 | |
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We all know your hate for people who uses Japanese in their language, it can be stupid, though it can be amusing in certain way by trying a guess game, if you get what I mean (still didn't guess?). Anyway if the lolicon accept to be referenced as what you think, it's all good (just look at The Triad, they shout it and most have interesting signs on their forum :P). But some just can't accept (I'm in this case and many others are I believe) to be called pedo instead of lolicons. Usually this word is used for people who dislike lolicon to attack the lolicons themselves.
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2004-10-18, 07:53 | Link #210 |
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well, pedophiles are sexually attracted to children, and it's still in question whether lolicons are those specifically sexually attracted to children or just generally just attracted to children for one reason or another...
also it depends on people's different views and definitions of pedophiles... maybe some think pedophile is nothing wrong, while others consider pedophilia a mental illness. you can find various different definitions of the term pedophile on the net, and most of them are derogatory. Anyway even if you think pedophiles are nothing wrong, there's still the need of distinguishing lolicons from pedophiles. maybe in your general non-derogatory definition, pedophiles are those attracted to children, but lolicons are more aimed towards those who are attracted to children in fictions. thus there's still a difference between the meaning of pedophiles and lolicons. in your case, your definition of pedophilia is describing an act which is a superset of the act described by the definition of lolicon. But then I think for a lot of others, they have different definitions of pedophilia, so to them pedophilia and lolicon are two completely different sets that has a certain overlapping region. |
2004-10-18, 08:35 | Link #211 |
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After thinking about it, there only seems to be one real difference between loli and pedo. Loli covers the "lighter" end of the spectrum too. Let me try to be clearer, pedo is known as negative and as purely sexual attraction. Loli seems to be slightly more neutral and covers a more emotional attraction as well. Kinda like... I can't think of a good analogy so I will do a crappy one, beer and alcohol free beer, though I'm sure there's plenty who would say alcohol free beer isn't beer it still falls under the broader category of beer.
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2004-10-18, 09:21 | Link #212 | ||
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Check out this article in The Japan Times. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/...20040427zg.htm |
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2004-10-18, 09:47 | Link #213 | |
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2004-10-18, 09:49 | Link #214 | |
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But still I find the word 'lolicon' to look much better. Maybe that's because of trolls of 4chan that keep annoying about it. After a time, you can't bear a word anymore and wouldn't want to call yourself such. So yes : I agree that both term mean the same by translating from Japanese to English, but no I wouldn't start saying that word, because it blocks me and I believe a lot of others people. Also, people could think it the bad way too, so that's also a problem.
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2004-10-18, 09:51 | Link #215 | ||
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2004-10-18, 09:58 | Link #217 | |
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well, I'm not really sure whether the Japanese ACG community (who invented the terms, and where the terms are mostly used) agree with the definition. The general Japanese public always like to paint the otakus and the ACG community in bad colors. Also that article in Japan Times Online clearly shows that the writer consider pedophilia as something bad, so if you don't consider pedophilia as something bad, then that means you and that article writer have clearly different definitions/ideas of pedophilia, and possibly different ideas about this whole thing. Anyway I think the only one here that can clear things up about the situation in Japanese ACG community is kj1980, so let's just ask him whether he thinks lolicons equal to pedophiles... whether there is absolutely no difference between the meanings of lolicon and pedophile in Japanese ACG community |
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2004-10-18, 10:00 | Link #218 | |
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2004-10-18, 10:04 | Link #219 | |
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2004-10-18, 10:12 | Link #220 | |
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I think lusting after children is bad. |
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