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The American Average · 2013-04-23, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Cagalli though really needs her own Gundam again even if just for the Movie and they have her retire after it.

Why not just give her the Akatsuki its practically the Embodiment of Orb. (Orb 01 Akatsuki?)

Rising Dragon · 2013-04-23, 16:18

The Akatsuki is a Gundam.

The American Average · 2013-04-23, 16:24

thats my point

S.Freedom · 2013-04-23, 16:35

The problem with that is what would you give Mu to replace the Akatsuki? Much less the fact she couldn't possibly pilot the thing to it's full potential like Mu could. Or likely use the dragoons for that matter. Besides Cagalli has more important things to do than pilot a MS like running a country.

As for Luna. The Impulse is just fine for her in my view. Although I could see her piloting an enhanced version of the Impulse with higher specs. The same for Shinn, Kira, and Athrun with upgraded versions of the S.Freedom, I.Justice, and Destiny. Although I don't see why the Destiny would need to be transformable in any way.

Besides the Savior could always be rebuilt for either Riika or Shiho to use.

The American Average · 2013-04-23, 16:48

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Originally Posted by S.Freedom

The problem with that is what would you give Mu to replace the Akatsuki? Much less the fact she couldn't possibly pilot the thing to it's full potential like Mu could. Or likely use the dragoons for that matter. Besides Cagalli has more important things to do than pilot a MS like running a country.

Besides the Savior could always be rebuilt for either Riika or Shiho to use.

with Mwu, the Chaos Gundam would match him much better, It was like Moebius Zero in a mobile suit. just give him an upgraded version
with Cagalli, she doesn't seem like the kind to sit out and be useless besides she has Arthrun and Kira to train her after all.
With Shiho, it would be Awesome if she got the Savior gundam she'd finally get voiced and get to do something other than be a background character

Destined_Fate · 2013-04-23, 17:29

I wouldn't mind Lunamaria in the Destiny Impulse and the Destiny rebuilt and made at least slightly better for Shinn to use. Though it woiuld blow if they don't have them combo attack together like they do with Athrun and Kira.

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Originally Posted by The American Average

Why not just give her the Akatsuki its practically the Embodiment of Orb. (Orb 01 Akatsuki?)

Because Mwu can use it in ways she can't as her Father was a huge jerk to have stashed away a Gundam she will never be able to use all that well.

No amount of training will ever let her use the Akatsuki as well as Mwu, she simply lacks his special ability.

S.Freedom · 2013-04-23, 17:45

And how exactly is Cagalli useless as the leader of a country exactly?

It's like your saying President Obama is useless because he sits in an office all day instead of killing insurgents or teaching students how to build jet engines.

The American Average · 2013-04-23, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

No amount of training will ever let her use the Akatsuki as well as Mwu, she simply lacks his special ability.

Mwu doesn't have Seed mode and Cagalli does, thats gotta count for something.

S.Freedom · 2013-04-23, 18:00

Only that appears to be a one hit wonder where Cagalli is concerned. Plus it still doesn't explain how she'd be able to use the dragoons. Or how she'd excuse being an irresponsible head of state by piloting the Akatsuki when Mu is a perfectly qualified pilot who wouldn't need special training.

Washu-Chan · 2013-04-23, 18:06

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Originally Posted by S.Freedom

Only that appears to be a one hit wonder where Cagalli is concerned. Plus it still doesn't explain how she'd be able to use the dragoons. Or how she'd excuse being an irresponsible head of state by piloting the Akatsuki when Mu is a perfectly qualified pilot who wouldn't need special training.

Aren't the Akatsuki's DRAGOONs the first-generation type, meaning that only a pilot with high spatial awareness can use them?

The American Average · 2013-04-23, 18:12

well by CE 73 Zaft has made an easy to use dragoon system that doesn't need a lot spatial awareness. the Legend gundam is an example. What being wrong with a head of state having a mobile suit? A leader that can fight alongside their soldiers would be a very good thing to have.

according to http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/DRAGOON_system its unknown on the Akatsuki with the spatial awareness

Skye629 · 2013-04-23, 18:30

Guys.....all these mechs in one movie, and upgraded for that matter, is impossible

Look SF and IJ, are OP mechs as it is

Throw in Destiny and Impulse

Then Akatsuki and whatever other mechs to round out the team

Then Upgrade them all

=

Complete massacre on enemy side

And if they played them against each other = trainwreck movie with all the fans going against each other and the SEED haters ROFLing

I see zero potential in a movie sequel unless they do a movie for ASTRAY or something else focusing on a specific group of characters (with cameos from the others of course)

S.Freedom · 2013-04-23, 18:32

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Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

Aren't the Akatsuki's DRAGOONs the first-generation type, meaning that only a pilot with high spatial awareness can use them?

That's why I'm saying only Mu should be able to use them. Since between the two of them only Mu has shown the ability to use the Akatsuki's dragoons.

Yeah, it's unknown if the Akatsuki's dragoons are the first or second kind. But as far as I'm concerned they're of the first type until proven otherwise.

And how is it good to have a countries leader fighting be a good thing? Who'd be running Orbs government if Cagalli was running around playing soldier? Than there's the question of what would happen in the event of her death. Since the position of chief representative seems to be hereditary along the Atha line Cagalli dieing would be very bad.

Destined_Fate · 2013-04-23, 18:43

Eh.

They could find a way to make an enemy that was watching from the sidelines and creating an army and new powerful Gundams for their "special" pilots. Throw in a timeskip after Destiny to the Movie and there ya go!

Besides, I'm sure if a Movie was made that Shinn and Lunamaria would be working with Kira and Athrun instead of fighting them. Shinn sorta made peace with Kira at the end of Destiny after all.

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Originally Posted by The American Average

Mwu doesn't have Seed mode and Cagalli does, thats gotta count for something.

Not the same thing.

If anything Cagalli should get a new custom Gundam for her that doesn't need Mwu's special ability and instead is just a special machine that wont reach its potential without someone that can go SEED.

Besides, after her treatment in Destiny she deserves nice and new things.

Aquaman OS · 2013-04-23, 18:46

I don't think that kind of tech exists. Even the SF IJ and Destiny don't have special Seed mode abilities.

All it really does is let you fight harder. It's not like the various psychic abilities that activate special features.

The American Average · 2013-04-23, 19:09

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Originally Posted by S.Freedom

And how is it good to have a countries leader fighting be a good thing? Who'd be running Orbs government if Cagalli was running around playing soldier? Than there's the question of what would happen in the event of her death. Since the position of chief representative seems to be hereditary along the Atha line Cagalli dieing would be very bad.

kings have been fighting alongside their troops since dawn of time it not a new concept.

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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

I don't think that kind of tech exists. Even the SF IJ and Destiny don't have special Seed mode abilities.

All it really does is let you fight harder. It's not like the various psychic abilities that activate special features.

now that you mention it i do wonder why the tech didn't evolve with seed mode. In UC they made suits that work better with new-types so why not this series.

Rising Dragon · 2013-04-23, 19:12

Because in C.E., the S.E.E.D. Factor hasn't been proven. Erica correctly guessed that this may have been what caused Kira's heightened capabilities, but threw it out of her report since she realized no one would really believe it. As such, no one but Malchio knows about the S.E.E.D., and, well, Malchio's a blind priest. I don't think military contractors will take his word seriously.

S.Freedom · 2013-04-23, 19:25

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Originally Posted by The American Average

kings have been fighting alongside their troops since dawn of time it not a new concept.

Sure when the king spent most of his time at war or otherwise maintaining his borders. All of which ended back around 1400(?) our time. It would be even further into CE's history. And that still doesn't answer the question of who would actually be running the country while Cagalli is off playing soldier. Much less what would happen should she die while playing soldier.

Nor does it take into account that as of the end of Destiny the world is at peace. What's the point of Cagalli becoming a better pilot other than to suggest Orb has taken a more aggressive or warlike stance? Simply put given the current situation her time and energy would be best spent rebuilding Orb/the world and preventing a third war from happening.

Her becoming a better pilot doesn't accomplish either of those things. Right now the seed world needs politicians who can build a sustainable and lasting peace not more soldiers.

Destined_Fate · 2013-04-23, 19:33

By SEED factor required, I mean a mecha like the Freedom that not everyone can ever hope to pilot. Especially with how Kira piloted it.

The Freedom and Strike Freedom don't ever reach their full potential until Kira has activated his SEED mode for example.

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Eh.

That's why I say its a temporary thing. They can have Athrun spar with her in simulations on their off hours. Course those might be rare as marrying Athrun might still take the people of ORB some time to get used to due to who his Father was and that he isn't ORB nobility. That and she has to run a country and he's an Admiral now. Anyway, than when the time comes to defend her Country she can do it as sometimes the only way to do that is to fight when words aren't enough.

The American Average · 2013-04-23, 20:20

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Originally Posted by S.Freedom

Sure when the king spent most of his time at war or otherwise maintaining his borders. All of which ended back around 1400(?) our time. It would be even further into CE's history. And that still doesn't answer the question of who would actually be running the country while Cagalli is off playing soldier. Much less what would happen should she die while playing soldier.

Nor does it take into account that as of the end of Destiny the world is at peace. What's the point of Cagalli becoming a better pilot other than to suggest Orb has taken a more aggressive or warlike stance? Simply put given the current situation her time and energy would be best spent rebuilding Orb/the world and preventing a third war from happening.

Her becoming a better pilot doesn't accomplish either of those things. Right now the seed world needs politicians who can build a sustainable and lasting peace not more soldiers.

1) even in the 1400(?) the king didn't do all the work leading the kingdom he would have other people helping him you make it sound like Cagalli is literally the only leading orb.
2) with being a better pilot since its in peace time maybe its for just the fun of flying the suit, like a fancy past time as it were. it doesn't really matter though
3) we're kinda making the stance that this movie is like 1 or 2 years after Destiny its quite possible that the movie is 10 or 15 years after Destiny. which would mean many problems have already been resolved

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The American Average 2LMES Join Date: May 2012 Location: a comet that goes zooom!!!	well by CE 73 Zaft has made an easy to use dragoon system that doesn't need a lot spatial awareness. the Legend gundam is an example. What being wrong with a head of state having a mobile suit? A leader that can fight alongside their soldiers would be a very good thing to have. according to http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/DRAGOON_system its unknown on the Akatsuki with the spatial awareness __________________

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Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Because in C.E., the S.E.E.D. Factor hasn't been proven. Erica correctly guessed that this may have been what caused Kira's heightened capabilities, but threw it out of her report since she realized no one would really believe it. As such, no one but Malchio knows about the S.E.E.D., and, well, Malchio's a blind priest. I don't think military contractors will take his word seriously. __________________

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S.Freedom Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: On the edge of insanity Age: 44	The problem with that is what would you give Mu to replace the Akatsuki? Much less the fact she couldn't possibly pilot the thing to it's full potential like Mu could. Or likely use the dragoons for that matter. Besides Cagalli has more important things to do than pilot a MS like running a country. As for Luna. The Impulse is just fine for her in my view. Although I could see her piloting an enhanced version of the Impulse with higher specs. The same for Shinn, Kira, and Athrun with upgraded versions of the S.Freedom, I.Justice, and Destiny. Although I don't see why the Destiny would need to be transformable in any way. Besides the Savior could always be rebuilt for either Riika or Shiho to use.

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S.Freedom Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: On the edge of insanity Age: 44	And how exactly is Cagalli useless as the leader of a country exactly? It's like your saying President Obama is useless because he sits in an office all day instead of killing insurgents or teaching students how to build jet engines.

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S.Freedom Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: On the edge of insanity Age: 44	Only that appears to be a one hit wonder where Cagalli is concerned. Plus it still doesn't explain how she'd be able to use the dragoons. Or how she'd excuse being an irresponsible head of state by piloting the Akatsuki when Mu is a perfectly qualified pilot who wouldn't need special training.

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Skye629 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Guys.....all these mechs in one movie, and upgraded for that matter, is impossible Look SF and IJ, are OP mechs as it is Throw in Destiny and Impulse Then Akatsuki and whatever other mechs to round out the team Then Upgrade them all = Complete massacre on enemy side And if they played them against each other = trainwreck movie with all the fans going against each other and the SEED haters ROFLing I see zero potential in a movie sequel unless they do a movie for ASTRAY or something else focusing on a specific group of characters (with cameos from the others of course)

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Aquaman OS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	I don't think that kind of tech exists. Even the SF IJ and Destiny don't have special Seed mode abilities. All it really does is let you fight harder. It's not like the various psychic abilities that activate special features.

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Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	By SEED factor required, I mean a mecha like the Freedom that not everyone can ever hope to pilot. Especially with how Kira piloted it. The Freedom and Strike Freedom don't ever reach their full potential until Kira has activated his SEED mode for example. - Eh. That's why I say its a temporary thing. They can have Athrun spar with her in simulations on their off hours. Course those might be rare as marrying Athrun might still take the people of ORB some time to get used to due to who his Father was and that he isn't ORB nobility. That and she has to run a country and he's an Admiral now. Anyway, than when the time comes to defend her Country she can do it as sometimes the only way to do that is to fight when words aren't enough.