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Endscape · 2024-02-15, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I said he was a reincarnator before, but now I think it's more likely he's like Tsukuyomi and is a God who chose to be reborn as a human to enjoy his twisted games.

I hope not. That would just distract from what the series is trying to say about the entertainment industry.

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

But if Ai was smart enough to see through him that far back, then that brings into question why she would willingly tell him her address and leave herself open to being hunted down like that.

Seeing through him doesn't mean she thought he was dangerous to her or anyone else.

Konja9 · 2024-02-15, 20:30

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Yeah, I have no clue where that came from.

And, again, what we're seeing right now is just Aqua's fanfiction. He has no way to know how Kamiki actually felt or what his relationships with Ai and Airi were like. The point is to mislead people into thinking he was a victim and it's apparently working.

I said he was a reincarnator before, but now I think it's more likely he's like Tsukuyomi and is a God who chose to be reborn as a human to enjoy his twisted games.

It isn't really "Aqua fanfiction", since he has seen Ai videos where she seems to speak about Kamiki. Ai seems to have discovered real aspects about Kamiki, so the portrayal is likely faithful.

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I'm not arguing against that. I just don't think Kamiki was an innocent boy who got traumatized/corrupted by Airi.

Well, Chapter 140 implies Kamiki's issues started before his situation with Airi. In fact, it's mentioned he "accepts" Airi's advances due to his other issues.

Shadow5YA · 2024-02-16, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Endscape

Seeing through him doesn't mean she thought he was dangerous to her or anyone else.

Sure it does. I'm not just talking about magic eyes or whatever, but understanding the other person's personality and motivations.

The original assumption was that Ai died without knowing anything about her real murderer, but this indicates otherwise - that Ai knew Kamiki well.
If that's the case, then that calls into question why she didn't see the murder attempt coming. Aqua could tell Kamiki was dangerous from miles away, but Ai despite seeing through his ruse, couldn't? Something doesn't add up here.

Endscape · 2024-02-16, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Sure it does. I'm not just talking about magic eyes or whatever, but understanding the other person's personality and motivations.

The original assumption was that Ai died without knowing anything about her real murderer, but this indicates otherwise - that Ai knew Kamiki well.
If that's the case, then that calls into question why she didn't see the murder attempt coming. Aqua could tell Kamiki was dangerous from miles away, but Ai despite seeing through his ruse, couldn't? Something doesn't add up here.

I don't see how knowing Kamiki wasn't the person he presented himself as or that he had some darkness in hi equals to her knowing he's a murderer.

All those things she knows about made her empathize with him not view him as a danger because she felt that she was similar.

Kanon · 2024-02-16, 19:29

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Originally Posted by Endscape

I don't see how knowing Kamiki wasn't the person he presented himself as or that he had some darkness in hi equals to her knowing he's a murderer.

All those things she knows about made her empathize with him not view him as a danger because she felt that she was similar.

Coming to the conclusion he's a murderer simply because he hides his true self is indeed a giant leap to make.

GDB · 2024-02-16, 19:54

Unless you want to insinuate that Ai was also a latent murderer, yeah that argument doesn't work at all.

Twi · 2024-02-16, 20:53

Alternatively, she thought she could fix him since she could understand him.

Twi · 2024-02-21, 11:57

New chapter is out. Talks about coerced sex in the industry followed by Ruby looking forward to a certain scene.

Nachtwandler · 2024-02-21, 13:48

Surprised they addressed this in the manga. And the next chapter is putting more fuel to certain discussions.

Shadow5YA · 2024-02-21, 14:22

These are all fictional characters and not directly referring to any real world case in particular, so I doubt anyone cares.

Aka had a much closer call with the dating show's allusions to Hana Kimura, but even then there's plausible deniability there.

Kanon · 2024-02-21, 18:53

Finally, I am vindicated. I knew there was going to be a kiss scene, and I still find it odd they're letting twins do that in a mainstream movie. I'm actually surprised it's only getting brought up now.

Kana and Ruby's faces at the end perfectly represent both sides of the fanbase.

GDB · 2024-02-21, 19:24

I felt like they went a little overboard hammering in how bad the industry is here. Usually he spaces this amount of "screw this industry" across the multiple chapters, but he really dumped it in this one.

Wandering Soul · 2024-02-21, 23:04

An entire chapter about the exploitation in the entertainment industry which effectively ends with a "stay tuned for the incest kiss" joke. Can't wait to see how next chapter goes and affects the fan base.

Shadow5YA · 2024-02-21, 23:07

It's not like this is a taboo topic, considering a lot of sex scandals come up on Japanese media.

There's the producer of Johnny's, the biggest boy idol agency in Japan, being guilty of sexually abusing its members,
not to mention Tahakiro Sakurai cheating on his wife with his radio show writer for 10 years, along with Tatsuhisa Suzuki cheating on LiSa with one of his fans.

Nachtwandler · 2024-02-22, 04:35

At least, as mentioned, most of agencies stopped using their idols as actual sex workers for bigwigs (though, there were a bunch of such scandals related to AKB48 and its sister groups, but their agency is bad in general). Also, some big agencies stopped forcing their stars from any sort of relationships. I heard it is way worse in South Korean industry currently.

dragon1412 · 2024-02-23, 12:54

TO be fair, pretty much most of the big scandal are related to AKB48, their agency was quite literally the origin of many bad practice in entire JP Idol industry. The Jp idol industry actually get a lot better now though, AKB48 companies still get a lot of bad rep.

South Korean actually was always worse than Japan, it just that we only get the info on them recently, Idols in SK is way more ... how to say, mass produced and they are expected to phased out, the companies is actually quite literally treating them as products with an expiry date on it. It's like they took the worst trait of AKB48 model and crank it up to eleven. I think this only get explored very recently when some groups have do their mandatory military service. SK agency don't care as much about relationship as Japan, but their schedule and image maintenance is noted by many to be way worse from the start, and their relation are actually sometimes deliberated by their own companies to milked for scandal and marketing, in comparison, JP no relationship actually sound better when compare to SK way of deliberately causing scandals for popularity. Their is also forced share housing to show the fan that the entire idols group are a family. They also generally make less compare to their JP counterpart, though top performers generally do make more compare to JP, I remember there was an interview of a former K-pop male idol, and it was noted that the big money are actually coming from doing ads, as opposed to JP main source from events and merchandise. This make the competition a lot fiercer in SK since those jobs are a lot more limited. There is also Trainee debt if they are not from the big companies. If you managed to get big enough though, the potential for big paycheck is a lot higher compare to JP

Twi · 2024-02-23, 13:11

In-universe, they got lucky Mommy Miyako is running their company and Aqua filtered out the previous ones seeking to snatch up Ruby.

Shadow5YA · 2024-02-23, 13:59

Keep in mind that the commentary wasn't limited to just idols but the entertainment industry in general. Neither Airi nor Kamiki were idols.

I already mentioned examples of two big-name seiyuu that got caught in adultery scandals, and they're far from the only ones.

Konja9 · 2024-02-23, 18:40

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Keep in mind that the commentary wasn't limited to just idols but the entertainment industry in general. Neither Airi nor Kamiki were idols.

I already mentioned examples of two big-name seiyuu that got caught in adultery scandals, and they're far from the only ones.

Literally, the trigger for this arc was Kana almost needing to sleep with a married director to get an acting role.

It wasn't necessary in the end, but the director thought it had to happen to give him the role.

Doe, John · 2024-02-26, 06:00

And just recently, the producer behind Your Name was arrested on suspicion of making child porn (if you want to be technical, teen porn).
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles...0m/0na/023000c

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GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	I felt like they went a little overboard hammering in how bad the industry is here. Usually he spaces this amount of "screw this industry" across the multiple chapters, but he really dumped it in this one.

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Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	It's not like this is a taboo topic, considering a lot of sex scandals come up on Japanese media. There's the producer of Johnny's, the biggest boy idol agency in Japan, being guilty of sexually abusing its members, not to mention Tahakiro Sakurai cheating on his wife with his radio show writer for 10 years, along with Tatsuhisa Suzuki cheating on LiSa with one of his fans.

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Nachtwandler Yurifag Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine / Barcelona, Spain Age: 35	At least, as mentioned, most of agencies stopped using their idols as actual sex workers for bigwigs (though, there were a bunch of such scandals related to AKB48 and its sister groups, but their agency is bad in general). Also, some big agencies stopped forcing their stars from any sort of relationships. I heard it is way worse in South Korean industry currently. __________________ F/GO: 828 004 124 My Anime list My VN list

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dragon1412 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: somewhere in Asia	TO be fair, pretty much most of the big scandal are related to AKB48, their agency was quite literally the origin of many bad practice in entire JP Idol industry. The Jp idol industry actually get a lot better now though, AKB48 companies still get a lot of bad rep. South Korean actually was always worse than Japan, it just that we only get the info on them recently, Idols in SK is way more ... how to say, mass produced and they are expected to phased out, the companies is actually quite literally treating them as products with an expiry date on it. It's like they took the worst trait of AKB48 model and crank it up to eleven. I think this only get explored very recently when some groups have do their mandatory military service. SK agency don't care as much about relationship as Japan, but their schedule and image maintenance is noted by many to be way worse from the start, and their relation are actually sometimes deliberated by their own companies to milked for scandal and marketing, in comparison, JP no relationship actually sound better when compare to SK way of deliberately causing scandals for popularity. Their is also forced share housing to show the fan that the entire idols group are a family. They also generally make less compare to their JP counterpart, though top performers generally do make more compare to JP, I remember there was an interview of a former K-pop male idol, and it was noted that the big money are actually coming from doing ads, as opposed to JP main source from events and merchandise. This make the competition a lot fiercer in SK since those jobs are a lot more limited. There is also Trainee debt if they are not from the big companies. If you managed to get big enough though, the potential for big paycheck is a lot higher compare to JP

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