2014-02-23, 12:38 | Link #42 |
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^ It depends on how Oda wants to portray the existing villains Luffy's encountered. For example, will Croc and Moria have gotten stronger over the time-skip? But yes, I agree with you. Even if they've gotten stronger, Luffy should have overtaken them by now. He'll always be ahead of them from now on.
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But I do agree that despite Luffy not using gear 2nd,he couldn't even defeat a mere shadow,so if no one interfered I don't know who would have won. Quote:
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Anyways, it doesn't matter at this point anymore, because Luffy has most certainly surpassed pre-skip Croc and Moria by a significant margin. Rest assured, the strawhats are no longer small fry in the grand scheme of things. They're rising up to the top very quickly. The fact that they've run into Doflamingo at this point suggests that.
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2014-02-23, 17:09 | Link #46 |
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Well I don't really want to compare what the power difference pre-timeskip of Moria and Luffy is. I was actually talking about how Luffy had no real "fight to the death" ever since Lucci. There weren't actually that many at all lately. Off my mind I'd say only his fights against Kuro (to a lesser extent though), Don Krieg, Arlong, Crocodile and Lucci would count as such very intense 1on1 fights, where Luffy really has to get past his limits.
So I wish for this arc to finally show such a fight again.
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There's probably a reason Flamingo was sent to kill him since apparently he was too weak for the Shichibukai title. Quote:
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The shichibukai need to maintain a formidable reputation. Members falling one after another is problematic, since that reduces their credibility and intimidation factor. I'd like to see Kaido's reaction when he discovers Moria is still alive.
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Oh, how I'd love to join the Moria discussion..... but I'm not in the mood to tear out my hair over power level arguments at the moment.
Anyway, nearly forgot to bring this up, but the cover for volume 73 was revealed! Credit goes to Redon from AP for the pic: ^Now THAT'S an epic cover! The only thing I find disappointing is that Caesar is partially obscured by Dofla's leg..... oh well. Hopefully, the accompanying SBS will also prove to be more substantial than the usual heaps of dick jokes! |
2014-02-24, 13:34 | Link #54 |
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Just a quick question, because I'm interested in what people have to say: If Law hadn't saved Sanji from Doflamingo's point blank rope attack in chapter 724, do you think Sanji would have survived? A lot of people make it out as if it was certain death, but I don't know. He maybe could have armored up with armament Haki at the point of impact and absorb the bulk of the damage that way. It's also not far-fetched that he can somewhat use Tekkai at this point, since he's pretty much mastered Geppo. Another possibility would have been that he figured out strings were holding him, in which case he might have been able to burn them with his fire and dodge just in time. See, most people think Doflamingo was about to one-shot Sanji, but I'm not sure if he really was. I think Sanji would have been able to avoid the majority of the damage. He still would have been sent flying and ended up with a deep bleeding cut, but he'd still be standing.
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2014-02-24, 14:14 | Link #55 |
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The only reason I feel it would have been a one shot is because of his performance with Vergo. His leg was cracked and Vergo literally took Sanji on with his own legs. Sanji's specialty is cooking but his fighting style is his leg, that why he is called "Black leg". If Vergo did that to Sanji then one can imagine what Daflamingo(Captain of the Donquixote Pirates) could do to him. I personally think Franky will replace Sanji has the third trio if things keep heading the way they are. Franky is doing really well with all of his opponents (Baby 5, Buffalo, Senor Pink, Machvice, and Vice admiral Bastillie). Vice Admiral Bastillie is on ordinary Vice Admiral, he is a buster call one. If the results are in his favor after this factory fight his bounty will be the third highest then Luffy, finally Zoro's being the highest. |
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Let's remember Zoro and Luffy's first encounter with Rob Lucci ?He kicked the crap out of both of them,in the end Luffy single handedly defeated him. At this point it's only speculation,was he using haki at that moment ?Is he stronger than Sanji ?It's unclear and will remain unclear forever,one thing for sure,once we get to a serious battle,I'm sure Sanji will shine once again. Like everyone else,he didn't have anything serious going on till now,and in the last arc his body got heavily damaged thanks to Nami. Quote:
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2014-02-24, 16:13 | Link #57 |
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You compare past and the present like they are the same. They aren't, also you can't ignore Sanji's performance. Second whats the point of showing Sanji's cracked leg to the reader if its just battle damage? Was Oda trying to prove a point? To me its no coincidence with Vergo and Daflamingo case that Sanji was shown to be weaker. Look at Franky he is undefeated right now. Zoro and Luffy also fall in that category(Undefeated). Why has Oda not shown their limits or them struggling? You can argue for Sanji all you want but Franky, Zoro, and Luffy have all shown progress. Zoro most of all. Third look at the story arcs before and after the timeskip. The archs after the time skip have gotten more complex and serious then normal arcs two years ago. This is more then just random adventure and the enemies they are fighting are the people we been hearing so much about two years ago but never seeing until sabaody and beyond. |
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2014-02-24, 16:27 | Link #59 |
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Well, this is not the debate I had in mind, but I do have something to say regarding this topic. You can debate all you want about the Vergo fight. In the end, it was a draw. The only fight Sanji "lost" was the one against Doflamingo. Neither Franky or Luffy have fought an opponent of that level in the New World, yet. In fact, Franky's opponents have been weaklings so far. Zoro did have a tiny skirmish with Fujitora, but you can't really call that a fight and hence shouldn't draw any conclusions from it. Long story short: Sanji is still very much comparable to Zoro and Luffy in strength and probably still above Franky.
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